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Old 03-26-2005, 10:49 PM
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Hello Everyone,

I am a new member and I am really impressed with this web sight. I just bought a 99 Durango 4X4 with a 5.9L. Love the Truck but it has some problems. Here is my problem, My ABS and Brake lights are stuck on. I read on this sight that auto parts stores generally will scan your truck for free so I took it to a parts store and had them scan my vehicle for codes. They ran their scan tool and found that there wasn't anything wrong with my ABS system even though my ABS light and Brake light are on. They then told me, in order to clear the codes and turn my warning lights off I should go home and unplug the battery, let it sit for a minute or so, depress the brake peddal 4 times, then reconect the battery cable. This didn't work so and I was somewhat suspect of the guy at that parts store so I went to another and had the same experience. The guy at the second parts strore couldn't find anything either and tried to clear the codes to turn the warning lights off but couldn't because there weren't codes to be found. I would like to try to aviod taking it to a dealer ship because I haven't much money. Is there anything else any of you would suggest me trying? I really apretiate any of your suggestions.

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Old 03-27-2005, 02:17 AM
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I had the same Durango, 5.9L, 4WD, with the same problem, as well as a lack of speedo below 20 mph. I had to change the rear wheel speed sensor (screws right in towards the top of the rear differential.) Took about fifteen minutes with an open end wrench, not difficult at all. This took care of the ABS and brake light problem. However, this does not get rid of the error code that is logged into your computer. Disconnecting the battery does not clear the errror code either. The only way to get rid of the code is to plug in a DRB reader, just under the dash area, to the left. This takes about five minutes, and a repair shop did it for me free of charge. It is up to you whether or not you can score the same deal. Anyway, there are several other threads in this forum that show usually it is a problem with the speed sensors that give you the warning lights. More often than not, a rear wheel speed sensor is the culprit, although rarely it is also caused by an output shaft sensor (found on the transmission, again 15 min. fix, a bit messier) and the front wheel speed sensor (found near the steering nuckle on each front wheel). The rear sensor is probably your best bet, and can usually be found at Autozone in stock for about 24-30 dollars, Kragen for a little less, but they usually need to order. Try one of those first, unless you want OEM, which runs about 48-56 dollars. I'm just a garage mechanic, but I did alot of research because I was in the same boat as you, and didn't want to pay anybody alot of coin to do something I was capable of. Good luck, hopefully this will help you.
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Old 03-28-2005, 08:05 PM
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tst31,

Thank you for the reply. I will try to check those things that you listed out. Is there any method to check sensors working condition? I think I remember from auto shop that you can check them with a ohm meter or a volt meter. Sorry that I didn't mention this before, I knew that I should have, but my speedo works fine at all speeds and so does my cruise control so possibly it is one of the other items that you have mentioned. Also I don't know if this changes anything but my 4x4 light doesn't come on when the vehicle is in fulltime 4X4 but it does work. Thanks again for all of your info. I will post agian when I figure out what went wrong.

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Old 04-22-2005, 06:57 PM
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ih1974D1100, Please let me know if you find out what your problem is. I have the same indications with the ABS, Brake, and Full-Time 4x4 lights.
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Old 04-25-2005, 12:02 PM
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you can also go to autozone. they can clear the codes for free
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Old 06-16-2005, 09:58 PM
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I had the same Durango, 5.9L, 4WD, with the same problem, as well as a lack of speedo below 20 mph. I had to change the rear wheel speed sensor (screws right in towards the top of the rear differential.) Took about fifteen minutes with an open end wrench, not difficult at all. This took care of the ABS and brake light problem.
Hmmm, it must be time for failures on '99 Durango rear ABS sensors. My brake/ABS lights came on this week. I also noticed my speedometer seems to be off 3-4 MPH to the high side (I have a GPS so I trust it's speed reading). My mechanic hooked up his OBD-II tester and saw the rear sensor is failing.

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The rear sensor is probably your best bet, and can usually be found at Autozone in stock for about 24-30 dollars, Kragen for a little less, but they usually need to order. Try one of those first, unless you want OEM, which runs about 48-56 dollars.
I went to AutoZone and they don't show any ABS sensors in their inventory. I also tried C.A.P. who carries the front left and front right "kits" (at $160.00 each!) but don't show the rear ABS sensor as being available.

Does anyone have a part number, or accurate description, for this part so I can go back and get one?

Maybe it's listed under "speed sensor" and not ABS sensor?

~Rick
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Old 07-30-2005, 06:53 AM
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The Brake & ABS Light problem is very common on Durango's, and **MOST** likely it's a faulty Rear Differential Speed Sensor that's the culprit. I just picked one up from the local Dodge Dealer for $49, Mopar brand, Part Number 5014787AA for my '98 Durango. You can probably cross reference that number to find a compatible aftermarket part at non-dealer parts stores. The funny thing was that when it was my turn after waiting in line to talk to the lone Parts Desk guy, he grinned at my request for the rear diff speed sensor, and said that's exactly what the guy ahead of me wanted, too! Interesting also that that customer had a '91 Dodge truck, and the same Part Number applied to his as my '98, which tells me that Chrysler has been selling these cheap, prone to fail parts for a long time. Furthermore, the Parts Guy even confirmed that the sensor was the known fault, when he said "Oh, your ABS and Brake warning lights aren't they, they're lit and stay on....this will take care of it." The thing that frosts me, is that Chrysler knows that this is a problem, but they shamelessly reap untold $$$ from uninformed Durango owners by leading them to believe that a $800 ABS Control Module repair job is in order---which IS the error code that's kicked out of the computer when the Brake/ABS light is on. I could go on with my ISSUES with Chrysler, but enough said. Anyhow, another D owner was nice enough to post on another forum the folllowing steps to install the Sensor, which I in-turn pass along to help everyone else who may benefit from this stupid situation that Chrysler should be accountable for...GOOD LUCK TO ALL:

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My 2000 Durango had the ABS and Brake light illuminated last week. Turns out it indicated a problem with the ABS speed sensor that is located on top of the rear differential. The part number for the 2000 Dodge Durango is P/N 56028187AE, cost is a list price of $35.50 from Dodge dealer in Austin.

The dealer said they get to replace quite a few of these sensors, so this is common. I would do this prior to having a dealer tell you the ABS computer needs replacement ($$$).

I used the following information to replace (required about 30 mintues of time during my lunch hour).

1. Disconnect negative battery terminal
2. Remove 13 MM top using deep box wrench. Remove the cable bracket attached at this point and move out of the way slightly.
3. Remove 14 MM bottom nut/bolt using deep box wrench.
4. Press connector with thumb and pull connector off sensor (2 wires)
5. Wiggle sensor up along with the metal bracket that goes around the sensor.
6. Dip finger in hole and put differential oil on O ring on new sensor
7. Push sensor new in metal bracket and bolt in.
8. Put ignition key in and turn to on position for 30 seconds. Step on the brake pedal at this point to put a current drain on the computer system (assures a reset condition)
9. Reconnect negative post of car battery
10. Important Note: the fault (ABS and brake) did not go out until I started to drive the car (about 10 seconds). Just setting still, the light did not go out which made me concern that this did not repair the problem. But it did.

That is all there is to it.

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Old 08-02-2005, 11:40 PM
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Default RE: Brake and ABS Light help!!!!

i had the same problem. got the new part at the dealer $37 and didn't even have to put it on. the lights just stopped showing up at 40MPH.
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Old 08-03-2005, 01:06 PM
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Default RE: Brake and ABS Light help!!!!

The only way I know how you can check an ABS system for problems is to take it to a dealer. They are the only ones that can read an ABS system. Many shops have told this to me. I had a problem fixed once and it was a front wheel sensor it cost me about $128. But I wouldn't know where to even start. Before you go buying all these weird parts, I would gust take it in.
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Old 08-04-2005, 01:03 AM
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I have read many scripts about problems with the ABS and Brake light on, including the fact that the speedometer doesn't go beyond 20-30 mph. The problem I have is that my ABS and Brake light is on but my speedo goes beyond 20-30 mph up to 95 mph (last time I pushed it). My truck is a 1998 1500 4X4 5.2 AUTOMATIC. What is different is that my 4WD light flickers off and on when I drive it. Does anyone have this same problem!!!!! If I don't hear from anyone soon I will try to replace the rear differential sensor and hopefully this will work. I will let the Dodge-public know about my results!
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Old 09-27-2005, 12:27 PM
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I know this is an old thread but I just had my Brake and ABS light come on last week. Sounds like an easy fix so thanks for all the info. Question though: My speedometer also stopped working - it just sits on zero no matter how fast or slow I am driving. Then yesterday I realized that my odometer is frozen. Is this all part of the same issue?
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Old 09-28-2005, 03:42 PM
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i put a new brake light switch on mine-$15.00
done!
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Old 09-28-2005, 03:56 PM
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Remember for those that may not have done it yet, change out your differential fluids every 60-70k. I changed my fluids out after I had the rear output sensor replaced. Fluid was in bad shape at 62k miles. black. supposed to be dark pinkish. Problems with my Durango is when I put it in WOT mode. tranny slips between 2nd and 3rd gear and redlines my engine! really scary. Ever since the rear sensor change out, no more problems. So sometimes you will not get any errors and still experience problems.

If you change out your rear axle sensor, go ahead and change out the transmission sensor as this sensor causes performance issues such as driving your durango and feeling like you are pulling a trailer, etc.....
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Old 09-29-2005, 11:03 PM
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I have (now had) the same problem in my '98 5.2L 4x4 Durango- my Brake and ABS light stay on and the speedo doesn't work. After checking the local auto part stores and not having any luck getting the sensor. I had to go to the Dealer. The first part he sold me p/n 56028187AE didn't work because the terminal was on the wrong side. Took it back and he exchanged it with p/n 05014787AA. Same price $35.50 plus tax. It was the same part with a new metal bracket and a wire jumper that extends the cable to reach the connection now that it is on the other side of the sensor. Put it in, lights are now off and the speedo works. I didn't have to reset anything. Thanks for the info!!!! Jim
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Old 10-11-2005, 06:34 PM
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I'm having the same problem almost in my 99 SLT 4x4 5.2L Durango. The only difference is I DON'T have my ABS light come on, just my BRAKE light. My speedo doesn't work until about 25-30mph and my transmission will sometimes shift kinda sloppy between 1st and 2nd if the speedometer isn't reading. That might be a seperate problem, but I thought maybe since it's all computer controlled anymore, reading 0mph and trying to shift into 2nd might make it act funny. Anyways, since I just have the BRAKE light and not the ABS light, could it still be this same speed sensor on the rear diff?
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Old 10-28-2005, 02:22 AM
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I had the same problem - BRAKE and ABS lights on at the same time and remain on. I drive a 1999 Durango SLT. I read on another forum that the sensors can be electrically checked using a DMM. But the post gave no other info.

I am not inclined to spend my cash and time shotgunning the problem by randomly replacing parts so I got out my DMM. Here is what I learned: The working rear ABS sensor (located on top of the differential) reads 2K ohms. The front ABS sensors (with connectors handily located just inside the hood above the wheel well) read 1K ohms. This was very helpfull because my diver's side reads fine (1Kohm) but the passenger side was open (no resistance).

I verified the defective sensor with a 1Kohm resistor and put it across the connector leading to the the computer to simulate the sensor at stop. Then I turned on the ignition and guess what - The lights are not on anymore.

So, now that I know that the passenger side sensor is open I get the right part, replace it, and my problem is fixed.

If you have a simple DMM or ohmmeter, you should check the resistance of the sensors - it might save you a lot of time and trips to the parts store. You might also want to start with the front sensors first because these sensors are easily accessed. The rear is a real pain in the a**.

Changing the sensor itself is quite an expereince - does anyone have any tips for making it easier?
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Old 10-31-2005, 03:24 PM
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Just wanted to thank eveyone for the advice and saving me some dinero. My 99 Dakota Sport had many of the same symptons (ABS light, BRAKE light, no speedo below 30mph). One additional quirk was that the truck consistently stalled while slowing to a stop. I have a manual trans so I've been using some unorthodox footwork to navigate stop lights for the last two weeks.

I bought mopar P/N 56028187AE for around $50, installed the sucka last night, and all is good. The only hitch I ran into was breaking off the top half of the old sensor while removing. Luckily, it snapped above the o-ring and didn't fall into the differential. I was able to pry the bottom half out with the help of a few choice words my old man taught me.

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Old 11-28-2005, 12:00 AM
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This thread just isn't going to die, sorry.

I had the same problem everyone else was facing - ABS and brake lights on, speedometer not working below ~40MPH. I found this thread and replaced my rear speed sensor. Problem fixed...sorta. Now, every other time (or so) I start the car the ABS and brake lights come on. Speedometer's working correctly constantly now, tho, which is nice.

If no one has seen this exact problem, I'll just go ahead and replace the two front sensors and see how it goes. If someone has seen this intermittent ABS/brake light issue, I'd love to hear how you resolved it.

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Old 12-03-2005, 04:21 AM
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hey guys,
great site! i'm on here currently in regards to my stepdad's 99 Durango. like everyone else in this thread, his ABS and Brake lights remain on when driving. HOWEVER, his only difference is he has no speedo issues/problems whatsoever. that is my only concern instead of just buying those rear speed sensors because i'm not sure if it is a separate issue or sensor. any ideas what would cause the abs/ebrake light to stay on (his car brakes fine) but no speedometer problems?

he has had this problem for >6 months and the dealer told him he'd need to replace that rear module and the cost with labor would be over $1k...but since his truck has high mileage and is braking and working just fine for him, he'd rather not bend over and shell out that much, especially if it's just a cheap sensor like you guys say in this thread! any help is greatly appreciated!!
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