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Old 09-23-2009, 05:02 PM
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98 Durango 5.2L 190,400 miles and YES there is gas in it... LOL!

Okay Battery was dead after sitting two days, got charger out and hit with a 100 amp start and would'nt start. So I left it to charge. Checked back on it and Battery would not take a charge, so I went and got a new one and engine cranks but won't start.

After attempting to start I left the key on, the low fuel light came on and the odometer began blinking??

Also the security light is illuminating even afetr I hit the unlock button

Checked for pressure at the fuel rail and occasional it will shoot out and othertimes it will dribble, I do not hear the pump fire up although the fuel gauge comes up, but not to where it should be??

Relays and fuses in PDC checked and work

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sounds to me like your fuel pump is shot, the gas gauge is built into the same unit so drop that tank and replace it, especially if it has never been done beofre 190k is ALOT more than the pumps are expected to last for
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Thanks for the reply
so you don't think it something else, as I had no issues at all before I changed the battery??
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Old 09-24-2009, 02:24 PM
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there is a huge 100 amp fuse in teh fuse block under the hood, check to make sure it is not blown.
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I checked and it and the only one I found that big was a 140 amp fuse for Alternator, which checks Okay.
Bought the 54.94 pump off Ebay, which is just the pump and not the module, I will check back in with the results....
Thanks for the wisdom guys!
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Rain fuel psi should be 50 or better.


Sounds like a bad pump and a bad battery.
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Old 09-26-2009, 01:16 AM
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Thorze. I have a similar problem with mine. I had the battery die before and MAN I thought CHRISTINE some how posest the Durango!LOL!! The lights were going off and on. Every relay was clicking, the gauges were freaking out!!!! Well got a new battery hooked up, turned key over and all it would do is turn over, no fire! Put key back to off and tried again, it fired right up. Everytime I disconnect the battery for some reason, I always have turn the key to start for a few secounds and than back to off, then to start again and it fires right up. HOPE THIS HELPS!!!
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There's a reason the security light is blinking. It's because the anti-theft is disabling your durango. What the guy above is talking about, is resetting the anti-theft.
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Okay Guys, I got the Pump off ebay and disassembled the module and reinstalled the new pump**CAUTION** this is not an easy job to do as you must modify a couple of things but is very do-able (PM FOR FURTHER INSTRUCTIONS)

I just put the tank in and lifted it enough to check it before I finish the install, cranked on it and nothing, no pressure at the fuel rail and I can not hear the pump pressurize at all.

Could it be the crank position sensor, as I have rechecked all of the relays and they are good.

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You disassembled the module??????? What module and how?


Drop the tank again and check for voltage.
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The fuel pump assembly module, once you have it out of the tank, there are three tabs that allow it to slide up and down, press those in and pull the two halves apart. Then disc. the elec plug for the pump, then cut the clamps on the fuel line from the regulator and VOILA its disassembled..
I will check tomorrow on the voltage and get back to you,
I did check the sending unit while I had it out and it ohmed in the proper range but my fuel gauge still says empty...if that helps
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if it were me i would have just bought the new unit and put it in, less chance of making a mistake putting it back together (it is possible that you missed something) and the fuel pump unit is something i would ONLY BUY NEW just because of how hard it is to get to and the fact that its such a PITA to change
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It sems that when I changed my battery I might have sparked something, not sure and fried the PCM or CKP not sure.

After changing the pump and still no fuel pressure checked for 5 volts at CMP,CKP,GVP,TPS and MAP no voltage, Checked PCM for power and had none.

Went and got a junkyard PCM brought it home threw it in and had fuel pressure finally but no spark?

Reset PCM and no spark still. Checked for reference voltage again at all sensors, showed 5 volts. Reset PCM again and tried to start again, no start and then fuel gauge dropped out and pump would not prime, ASD would not kick in.

Checked for reference voltage again at all sensors and nothing, fried the PCM again.

Went back to junkyard and traded for another one. Talked to a mechanic friend of mine and he told me he just got done with Jeep GC 5.2L that had a bad PCM due to a bad CKP and to try and replace CKP BEFORE installing new PCM. THAT DID THE TRICK!!!


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I didn't think that a camshaft position sensor could blow out a PCM? Although I have seen that many times that they go hand in hand if to much charge goes into the system like an arch or charger.


Thanks for the update though!!!!!!
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I checked and it and the only one I found that big was a 140 amp fuse for Alternator, which checks Okay.
Bought the 54.94 pump off Ebay, which is just the pump and not the module, I will check back in with the results....
Thanks for the wisdom guys!
hi- just want you to know you will be better off buying the whole unit for about $120 or less because i just went through this and it was a pain to put in just the pump and then the pump was no good. i bought my good won from high flow "email is - sales@highflowfuel.com- after it was in i had the pressure i needed. wish you luck
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Agreed, that is something that is best bought new....unless you enjoy droping the tank and replacing every couple of months
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Is everyone sure that Nofrag didn't figure it out? Kinda sounds like a VTSS issue no?
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hi- just want you to know you will be better off buying the whole unit for about $120 or less because i just went through this and it was a pain to put in just the pump and then the pump was no good. i bought my good won from high flow "email is - sales@highflowfuel.com- after it was in i had the pressure i needed. wish you luck
p.s. sometimes cheaper is not a good deal[/quote]

"hi- just want you to know"...The pump I got off ebay was from high flow fuel systems part # HFFS-379. Sorry for your bad luck with the pump replacement, I said in my post it was difficult, mine has been good for 2 years now. If I could have afforded the whole module at the time, 2 years ago for $180 I would have gone that route.

"p.s. sometimes cheaper is not a good deal"... true and well said, although I researched the company before I bought my "to good to be true" part, I also rigged it to the battery to see if it powered on before I put it back in just to be sure it worked.


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Agreed, that is something that is best bought new....unless you enjoy droping the tank and replacing every couple of months
Well I've dropped at least a dozen tanks for fuel pumps before and I don't enjoy it one bit, that is why I put a good pump back in it and its been good for 2 years!!

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Is everyone sure that Nofrag didn't figure it out? Kinda sounds like a VTSS issue no?
It might be this issue for someone else but for me it was as I said in my previous post, once I replaced the crank sensor and put the new PCM in it has ran great ever since!!
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Something to watch for if I or anyone I know goes through it...Ty for the headsup Thorze.It's things like this that I charge batteries OUT of the car and won't let anyone hook jump cables to my rigs....I'm with the rest,didn't know a pcm could be taken out like this....One ?...Do you know the cause or just no way to tell??
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