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Old 08-08-2007, 05:09 PM
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Just curious if anyone is having this problem or have a fix it solution

I race my Neon just for clarification as when I drive it on the street - the belts are fine. This issue has just started on my 3rd or 4th season of racing my little neon!

Regulary when racing - going from 2nd to 3rd or 3rd to 2nd - I am loosing either the Power Steering belt or the Alternator belt - or both belts.

I have lost my Power Steering belt once going from 3rd to 4th while apexing right!

I lost both Belts at the start of the race in Houston this past weekend - the Neon behind me saw the belts come off. Basically I started to speed up expecting the green flag when the cars in front of me started to brake - I came off the gas and started to break and downshifted from 3rd to 2nd and both belts came off

The belts are brand new and I just put them on 3 weekends earlier when I lost both belts in a qualify session at Barber.

I have changed out my power steering pump twice in the past year - but the loosing of the belts has been going on for awhile.

I also have been driving/pushing my little neon harder as I am more comfortable with the limits of my Neon.
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Alignment would be my first guess.
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Old 08-08-2007, 11:17 PM
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i had that problem when i first bought mine
the second time it happened i looked closer and the crank pulley had a dent in it like someone tried to pry it off
i replaced it and haven't had any problems
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I am loosing
If this was a spelling bee you'd be "losing". theres a big ****ing difference between "Lose" and "loose", especially when talking cars. Loose means not tight as lose means to leave something without knowledge towhere it is or to not win.
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Old 08-09-2007, 08:48 AM
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That was tricky to align - any suggestions on how you would align them?

I ended up using a yard stick - I would lay the stick across the pulley of the Power steering and outer pulley of the Crank until it was flush

Then I did the same thing for the Alternator Pulley and inner track of the pulley on the Crank.

That took some tweaking - ended up setting the Alternator pulley 1st then adjusted the Power Steering until I had it what I think is aligned - but still losing Belts!

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i had that problem when i first bought mine
the second time it happened i looked closer and the crank pulley had a dent in it like someone tried to pry it off
i replaced it and haven't had any problems
I did swap mine with another used one I had about 3 weeks ago - the 2 of the last 3 races I lost either both belts or just the Power Steering belt.

Thanks for the suggestion - might look into buying a new one as I dropped one of them while taking it off.
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If this was a spelling bee you'd be "losing". theres a bigdifference between "Lose" and "loose", especially when talking cars. Loose means not tight as lose means to leave something without knowledge towhere it is or to not win.
I guess I am luckythis is not a spelling bee

I will take note that there is a wannabe out there checking my spelling! Not that I would do much about it!

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If this was a spelling bee you'd be "losing". theres a bigdifference between "Lose" and "loose", especially when talking cars. Loose means not tight as lose means to leave something without knowledge towhere it is or to not win.
I guess if I was to lower my IQ to wannabe level and be as dorky as wannabe- I would question if you are actually hearing me talk or are you just reading what I type and don't have a clue about the difference about talking or reading? or did you come up a few words short and meant to type " when talkingABOUT cars"? Yes it is past the '90's and cars do have recordings that will play little messages back like travel directions and/or fasten your seatbelts etc - but do cars really talk?? or have you been watching Disney little movie Cars a little too much? Is Lightning McQueen your Hero??

Take a Chill Pill wannabe!

Show that you are some what intelligent and drop the F Word -I am not asking for much - from a wannabe!
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Check the endplay of your crank, i had one motor that wore the thrust bearing so bad it was doing that.
stock pulleys are junk. i think i would try another one. maybe get a new one instead of used.
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i don't know muchon this subject but have encontered this problem with a diffrent car (mazda predege). After reinstalling new belts every three months she(some elses car) took it to the dealer and they told her she needed a new engine. She did drive like Dale Jr. everwhere.

i would think that it's either the pully alignment or something is up the alternator or water pump. Are there any symtoms such as belts screaming
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Check the endplay of your crank, i had one motor that wore the thrust bearing so bad it was doing that.
stock pulleys are junk. i think i would try another one. maybe get a new one instead of used.
Thanks for the info - I have a new Pulley on order for the Crank and will give it a try - hopefully it comes in before I go to Pocono
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i don't know muchon this subject but have encontered this problem with a diffrent car (mazda predege). After reinstalling new belts every three months she(some elses car) took it to the dealer and they told her she needed a new engine. She did drive like Dale Jr. everwhere.

i would think that it's either the pully alignment or something is up the alternator or water pump. Are there any symtoms such as belts screaming
It was just odd that on the last 2 engine rebuilds that the belts are coming off.
No belt screaming - occasionally I will here a thumb from when it hits the hood or firewall of the car.

I tried my homemade method using a yard stick as a straight surface to align the pulleys - but that did not work either.

Thinking about trying a laser level this weekend - not sure if it will work!
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Yeah, I would too check the end play in the crank. Couldnt there also be a bad bushing in the alternator causing it to lock up like a bad starter?
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Yeah, I would too check the end play in the crank. Couldnt there also be a bad bushing in the alternator causing it to lock up like a bad starter?
I thought the same thing - however last month I did change out the Alternator and the Power Steering pump, but for the past year+ I have been throwing belts like crazy - it just started with the last 2 engine rebuilds

I have been pushing my little neon much harder then before - but that comes with experience and trying to learn the limits to see what I can get out of her!
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What about the belts, what kind are they?
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What about the belts, what kind are they?
I have used both - the cheap Parts store ones ( I believe they were Dayco)when I ran out of them over the weekend - mostly dealer/factory belts

I race my car in ShowRoom Stock - so I am required to run factory parts with the exception to Tires, Oil, Oil Filter, brake fluid, etc - the car parts/componenets have to be dealer/factory

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Maybe see if your Power Steering bracket bolt is loose and touching the belt. I know on a friends Neon he lost belts that way because his was stripped somehow. Its the bolt that is right next to your motor mount.
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Maybe see if your Power Steering bracket bolt is loose and touching the belt. I know on a friends Neon he lost belts that way because his was stripped somehow. Its the bolt that is right next to your motor mount.
Thanks for the suggestion Slashwannabe.

I routinely check most of the bolts on the engine & tranny especially before a race weekend- Most of them stay properly torque - the only 2 bolts that give me problems arethe one on the back of the Tranny that boltto the engine on top and on the bottom. Those are the only 2 bolts that I find myself having to tighten up. And of course before every Practice/Qualify/Race session I torque the lug nuts.

I am thinking it must be the alignment - but my method of aligning the pulleys are not working - going to try using a laser level to align the pulleys tomorrow.


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i say its gotta be the crank pulley. i had one doing the same ****, only at high rpm the belt would start to track off the side then fly off by 4th gear
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Are you sure you got the crank pulley ALL the way on the crank? If that is a little off, it can throw belts. Also, If your setting the tension on the belt too tight, that would throw them too.If it's throwing both belts, I would have to guess the problem has something to do with the crank pulley.Have you inpsected that pulley for wear, or grooves missing...anything out of the ordinary.?
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try running with just the alternator belt and do not use the powersteering. see if outcome is the same maybe one belt is taking the other belt with it?
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