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97 Neon Sport won't pass DEQ smoke+Repeat O2 sensor failure

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Old 08-23-2011, 02:50 PM
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Unhappy 97 Neon Sport won't pass DEQ smoke+Repeat O2 sensor failure

Okay I recently bought a 97' Dodge neon that was unregistered.(I know, not smart.) He told us he recently replaced the Oxygen sensor. We took it to the Deq and it failed for just smoke. About a month went on and we just focused on getting rid of the smoke to no Prevail. The last week the service engine soon light came on and the code says its for failed O2 sensor. I took it to Deq and it passed smoke but failed because the sensor. Some background information is it leaks a large amount of oil, only when the car is running or still hot. O2 sensor failed in just one month. Smoke is a white/grey color maybe slight blue tint but not very much at all. Lots of rattling in engine and car if that matters. Also we just replaced the second Oxygen sensor not the original one that failed for the previous owner thinking the same one couldn't fail twice in a matter of a month, but the light is back on people. I realize I can probably pass DEQ just by buying another sensor but I feel its just going to fail again.
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Old 08-24-2011, 04:35 PM
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Check the wiring to the O2 sensor and where it connects to the PDC. Probably a short somewhere throwing the code. What is the "P" code?
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Old 08-24-2011, 04:44 PM
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Wow. I hate to say it, but you may have just bought a big headache.

1) Where are the oil leaks? Head? Valve cover? Oil pan? The last two are easily (and cheaply) replaced. Head? You have other issues if that is the case.

2) Are you losing coolent?

3) Have you checked to make sure your catalytic converter is not plugged up? An exhaust shop can tell you pretty quickly, and most will check for nothing (or a very small fee). If it is plugged up, it will start to cause your O2 sensors to foul out. The back pressure will also foul out everything else quickly - I found out from personal experience on this one.

4) rattling engine - top end or bottom end? Use a mechanics scope to figure that out.
Top end means that you may need to replace some valve lash shims (DOHC) or replace some rockers (SOHC) if it is excessive. You may even need to replace some valve springs if they are not within spec. Most cars rattle some, but when you can hear it rattle over the radio, it is well into the excessive range.... My engine only rattles when cold and then gets quiet. If it don't get quiet after warmup, you may be getting close to excessive wear.
Bottom end means you have some real problems - most likely bad bearings and rotten oil pressure too.

Do a quick engine compression check (valid range should be 175 - 185psi) with no cylinder more then 10% from the others. Service life is 155psi at which point it is time to rebuild.

You should also do a quick leak down check to see if your valves all seal up properly.

Doing an oil pressure check is a PITA, but if you do it, you can really get an idea if your car is going to hold up bearing wise, because poor oil pressure will kill your engine quicker then anything else.
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