While the hayfever hits me mainly during the day, it means I prefer to be up during the night so a lot.
I start looking at different threads and started researching the brake upgrade qustions on the neon.
Which ahd me looking at the PT cruiser brake option which most people go for! Then at the 300c
calliper option, which as I am am member on LX forum had me looking at their big brake options(yes
even though they have what would be way to big for the neon but still very good info)

http://forums.neons.org/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=343569

http://forums.neons.org/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=266137

http://www.lxforums.com/board/showth...-Piston-Brakes

http://www.lxforums.com/board/showth...ake-kit)/page2

http://www.lxforums.com/board/showth...-brake-upgrade


So considering thar Chrysler was owned by Mercedes and there are some interchangeable parts
between the marks. Add that some people are using or experimenting between the different parts
available to them it is conceivable that there are more options available to those of us outside the
USA than was previously thought Just with the wrong brand written on them, and a few of those
a brembo! And as pointed out in one of the threads I have posted a link to above, to save money
brembo made the same caliper for a few different marks but put the marks name on them and gave
them a different pn (part Number) for each mark. The same 4 pot calliper used by Aston Martin on
the DB are used on the Jag xj6, xjs and other models. I can't be sure but it looks like MG tf, alfa r
omeo, Subaru impretsa to be very similar too but with the bolting tab built in where the jag/Aston
ones I've seen have it so the brackets can be change for further vehicles or used in the bremebo's
own kits!

The XJ6 (40?) uses 11.44 inch (290.8mm)brake discs, just forgetting the bolt pattern for the minute
but think about it for a minute. If the other marks using the same 4 pot brembo caliper have a similar
size brake disc to that it's not far off the standard PT cruiser disc 11 inch(280mm)isn't it!

Could it be possible to do only a little work on the standard mk1 neon hub so it takes a 4 pot calliper
with a standard 11" pt cruiser brake disc, rather than have to go through a full pt hub swap?

Jaguar XJ 12 H.E. Saloon 1981 -1992 Front Brake Disc
Brake Disc Diameter :284mm
Brake Discs Height :60.5mm
Stud / Holes : 5
Disc Type : Vented

And the funny thing is when I looked at the caliper for it was the same as brembo but labled LUCAS!!!!

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/JAGUAR-XJ-...item43c0baaa28

Will I be raiding the jags at the scrap yard, no because they aren't any in the local one but there usually
get one or 2 mercs, a good supply of European produced stock but very few if any american cars. But it
might be a good topic for discussion.

Please note that I am running this topic starting with the exact same starting post word for word on a
couple of different car forums.
Thanks

 

Okay I got a dealn on a pair of front Brembo brake calipers off a Mercedes S320 CDI (w220)




Still with pad sensors attached, along with the brake hoses and pads




Brembo on one side Mercedes Benz decalled on the other




A comparison with a mk1 neon front caliper which has been in a tub which has been slowly submerged in water because of a leak in the tool shed roof!






From the top of the pad to the bottom of the pad and then the bottom of the caliper(calliper upside down in picture)




The bolt holes are a not only a bit further apart but the holes on the brembo calliper are bigger but threaded




The standard neonfront brake setup for comparison and that disc is 10"(26cm)




The braking area is about 2.25" of the disc




The Merc brembo calliper has what could be described as a spacer bar between the outer pad and the raised section on the disc when it sits in place.




With the spacer bar resting on the raised section on the 10" neon brake disc you can see how much mre the disc would need to be to use these callipers.










The Neon brake disc is being propped up and there is a bit of wood wedging the pads agaisnt the disc.




Side view for reference purposes and so I don't need to do it again, If I use something like these need a thicker set of discs!




Now I dug out one of the 16" VW steel rims to use on these photos for reference on fitment and ventilation. Bolt holes are lined up/






Bottom pad is touching the disc.






And as a reference thebar is straight and true and is leftover off making a braket






I carfully inverted the hole thing to check clearances between the wheel and caliper.








And here is the size of the bits of wood for the space above.








I tried the caliper at it's worst for fitment by having the disc touch the inner pad












With same setup as above, the end of the tape measure is on top of the pads on the calliper.



32cm diameter is the diameter for the disc foir this layout!






If it weren't for that spacer bar on the outside of the calliper, it looks like it could be used with a 11" brake disc!
I will be keeping my eye open for brembo calipers but of a better size and design. The method of fixing these to hub means a hub such as that used on a mk1 neon is unsuitable due to the holes being too far apart and too big. Also the neon's hub design makes it harder to think about attachment.
I tried to remove the pins holding the pads in the calliper with no luck, one will rotate but that's it!

 

As I couldn't sleep last night as usual!

Well it looks like has been done with a voyager/caravan/minivan hubs!

http://forums.neons.org/viewtopic.ph...n+hub#p1872094

For parts catalogues this one looks good for many years and vehicles.
http://www.autoricambi-euroamerica.c.../chrysler.html

I think that might in it's self might need to be gone into a bit more so I have pm'd the
member and wait for his reply. As if I read that correctly it was mk1 neon bearings and
hub unit fitted into a emptied voyager bearing/hub carrier with the 23 splines and mk1
neon drive shafts!
Food for thought! Looks like i need to keep a lookout for parts too

 

I gave up trying to use a punch or bolt to get the pins out, dremel grinder bit and cut the pins in half instead
as I didn't want to damage the alloy casting bolted either side of the iron core.




Here is the reason why the pins wouldn't shift until I used a heavy plate placed on the pin in the calliper hole and
used a sledge on the plate! The metal band had rusted and jammed pin in place, the pin could turn in the band
but not be removed without BRUTE force!




Using the dremel grinder disc attachment(and a few discs) I went over one of the callipers removing the rust trying
to get it back to good metal.






A side by side of one as is, and the rust removed but I'm leaving the alloy parts alone on it.




A quick spray of paint to protect and make them look a lot neater than the rust crud callipers they looked like when
I got them! Yes I know it's dark green but I couldn't find the black, I will pick some up later in the week when out
food shopping. The green will do as a base coat.






By removing the pins and cleaning the callipers up means they are either ready to fit to my car or will be easier to
sell off as all the basic work for the next user has been done. I will make a start on the other when I have gotten
some new dremel discs and wire brushes.

 

I haven't forgotten this I am still awaiting the gentleman I mentioned earlier(and linked to his build) to read and respond to the pm which was sent over a fortnight ago!

 

I made a start on the other brembo merc brake calliper, Before the wire brushes and grinder
attachments of the dremel went and attacked the tin worm.



I gave the calliper it's first coat of hammerite and the other calliper it's second coat.
Unfortunately for some reason the paint started bubbling. The callipers will be left to cure for
a few days before sanding the paint flat and applying another coat. I must remember to get
some black paint!

 

These came today!




It was shortly after I had placed the order and paid for them that Vitor had replied
saying "knuckle fitment is big change, that thing has to be like 1.5" wide." Well that
was £45 spent so lets see what it bought me and advise please if they are still
usable! :dunno:

Here is some info from vitors work for reference






The merc brembo 4 pot calliper bolt patternfrom inside holes 100mm outside of holes
120mm

Voyager 2003 alloy 3.3L hub I purchased with some dimensions please let me know
if there is a dimension you need from it so you can advise, as it is sitting in a box the
corner of my bedroom.











The idea was to have the bearing unit either converted to take a mk1 neon bearing and
spindle or get them custom made. I am just wondering if this is going to be far more
trouble than it's worth with these knuckles?

After posting the abpve Vitor kindly responded to it via pm on neons.org

If they are able to be machined down to be used there is still the wish bone attachment
as there is a hole on the voyager hub but a cleat on the neon!

 

seems like this will fit the 00 model as well wish I worked part time at a junk yard id love to have better brakes

 

TejasMtnBiker I am disabled and can't go round scrapyards like I used too!
Research forums and ebay before you decided what you want, then try bartering with the sellers on ebay or craigslist or whatever it is!
I did and thats why they were £45 not £60.
The next thing to get will be different brake calipers as the merc ones will not bolt up to voyager hubs.

 

Well here to show how much of a difference there is between the s class brembo callipers and
the voyager hubs. I think I may have gotten the wrong merc callipers! (whoops)