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Any way to get d150 drop spindles?

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Old 02-25-2010, 08:13 AM
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can you use a block in the rear
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Old 02-26-2010, 10:05 AM
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Sure, but those corners are going to hurt
Seriously, yes you can. But if the spring is on top of the axle, a block will raise the truck. If the spring is below the axle, it will drop it.
The downside is it will magnify the torque on the spring from axle wrap. An inch probably won't be noticed.
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Old 02-27-2010, 11:43 PM
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Old 03-09-2010, 08:26 AM
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so it will work but in other words its going to ride rough, is it also true you can
put a s10 drop spring in the front to drop it these are things i have heard but are
not sure about
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Old 04-04-2010, 12:07 AM
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Unhappy LCA/balljoint ?????

I read alot ealier in the thread about swapping stock d150 LCAs with the pocketed 1 ton control arms. I picked up the 1 ton arms but found that the balljoint is bigger and won't fit . what's the remedy for this. I read that besides drilling out the holes on the frame mount it was a direct replacement. what gives??
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Old 10-11-2010, 01:03 PM
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I have read this thread from start to finsih> i want to thank you for the great info.i just picked up a 91 d150 and was looking at lower the truck but like all of you have said there is nothing out there.But this thread as help a bunch..But i see this thread as died off. i would like to see some pics of your guys trucks.So please start posting again.
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Old 10-13-2010, 03:47 PM
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Talking New update to lowering 1st gen Ram

I've completed the entire job of lowering my 1989 D150. I found the 1-ton control arms at a junkyard the pair was $80. I cut the stock springs JUST A HALF COIL. this droped the front a good 4-5 inches!!! In the Back I flipped the rear axle so the leafspring went under the rear axel instead of over it. This was more work than lowering the front. the bracket that the Leaf spring U-bolts go thru and the bottom of the shock bolts to must be flipped and to the top of the rear axle. I found that I also had to cut the bracket b/c the stud was hitting the frame . I also had to make new brackets and make a new location for the shock to bolt to. I moved the bottom of the shocks quite a bit inward on the rear axle. I was still riding about 1" between the rearend and the frame so I decided to intsall coil over shocks, this was a must in my case if I wanted a decent ride. without these mods I had no use of the rear suspenion hit a bump caused the frame and reaer end to bang together violently. Now with these coilover shocks the overall ride is still a littlt bouncy but t she handles alot like a car now. takes off ramps effortlessly @ 50 mph. My rear leafs must be shot. I was thinkink of going to new 3/4 ton leafs and a high quality shock thinking the 3/4 leafs would raise her a little but allow me to put groceries in the bed with needing the coilovers carry the load. what do y'all think. and I hope my experience will help any of you out there thing of doing this in the future. Oh yeah, How do I post pics here
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Old 10-16-2010, 01:22 AM
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I've completed the entire job of lowering my 1989 D150. I found the 1-ton control arms at a junkyard the pair was $80. I cut the stock springs JUST A HALF COIL. this droped the front a good 4-5 inches!!! In the Back I flipped the rear axle so the leafspring went under the rear axel instead of over it. This was more work than lowering the front. the bracket that the Leaf spring U-bolts go thru and the bottom of the shock bolts to must be flipped and to the top of the rear axle. I found that I also had to cut the bracket b/c the stud was hitting the frame . I also had to make new brackets and make a new location for the shock to bolt to. I moved the bottom of the shocks quite a bit inward on the rear axle. I was still riding about 1" between the rearend and the frame so I decided to intsall coil over shocks, this was a must in my case if I wanted a decent ride. without these mods I had no use of the rear suspenion hit a bump caused the frame and reaer end to bang together violently. Now with these coilover shocks the overall ride is still a littlt bouncy but t she handles alot like a car now. takes off ramps effortlessly @ 50 mph. My rear leafs must be shot. I was thinkink of going to new 3/4 ton leafs and a high quality shock thinking the 3/4 leafs would raise her a little but allow me to put groceries in the bed with needing the coilovers carry the load. what do y'all think. and I hope my experience will help any of you out there thing of doing this in the future. Oh yeah, How do I post pics here
What year lower control arms from the 1 ton did you use? Also got pics of the truck
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Old 10-18-2010, 09:16 AM
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Default any 1-ton from the 77-91

Any 1977-1991 1-ton truck or van. Just make sure the balljoints are the smaller ones as two diff. were used. that's the only thing to look for as I got the wrong ones 1st and then had to exchange them. I'll try to figure out pics soon
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Old 05-27-2011, 12:13 AM
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I forgot I was a member here. Here is a how-to I wrote up for the van lower control arms and the rear axle flip.

Nobody makes much in the way of aftermarket parts for 1972-1993 Dodge trucks. Parts for lowering your Dodge pickup are not offered by the major aftermarket companies like Belltech or Eibach. There is one small manufacturer that makes some very expensive lower control arms, but I've had no luck getting in contact with them. What can you do if you want to lower your pickup? You can go the cheap route by cutting your coil springs. This may cause your spring rates to change or cause camber problems. You could go the expensive route by modifying a pair of lowering spindles made for a 1st generation Dakota. I've heard this works, but there are a few issues with this and it takes a lot of trouble to get them to work.

There is another option that is very simple, engineered by the factory, and is cost effective. Go to the junkyard and find a 1972-1993 Dodge B-series van and unbolt the lower control arms. Just swapping the van's lower control arms onto your 1972-1993 Dodge half ton truck lowers it roughly 3" due to the fact that the van lower control arms have a spring pocket that allows the coil springs to sit lower than they do in the truck's stock lower control arms. No shock or spring change is needed. It doesn't matter if it is a 1/2 ton, 3/4 ton, or 1 ton van. The van lower control arms are the same. I purchased a pair from a mid 80's B350 for $40 plus tax at my local Pull-A-Part.

I had trouble separating the steering knuckle from the lower control arm at the ball joint. In fact, I gave up and left the junkyard. I asked around and found out that the steering knuckle is a two-piece design. There are two 15/16 bolts/nuts that you will have to unbolt in order to separate the top piece from the bottom piece. You will have to take the brake caliper and rotor off to gain access to the bolts. Remove those steering knuckle bolts, take out the shock absorber, unbolt the control arm pivot bolt, remove the strut rod from the lower control arms, and separate the steering tie rod from the lower steering knuckle piece and you're done. The only parts you will need are the lower control arms and the control arm pivot bolts/nuts. Once you get the lower control arms home, take a large hammer and remove the lower steering knuckle piece from the ball joint and then knock the ball joint out. You cannot reuse the ball joints from the one ton van because they are larger in diameter than the ones on your truck. I do not know if the 1/2 ton or 3/4 ton ball joints are the same or not. New ball joints are $30 at NAPA, so you might as well replace them anyway.

There are a couple modifications you will need to make to the lower control arms and your truck. First, completely remove the steering stops. They are not needed and the arms will look cleaner without them. Next, you will need to drill two 1/2" holes in each arm for the strut rods. I pulled a stringline from the center of the ball joint to the center of the pivot bushing and found the holes in the truck arms are equal distance from the centerline of the arm. Measure the distance from the ball joint to the strut rod holes on the truck arms. Now, you can transfer this information onto the van arms, mark your holes, and drill. There is one modification you will need to make to the lower control arm pivot holes on your truck's frame. The truck's factory lower control arm bolts are 5/8" in diameter. The van's are 3/4" in diameter. You will need to drill these holes larger for the van's bolts to fit the truck. I was thinking that maybe I would be able to slide the sleeve from the truck arms into the sleeve on the van arms so I wouldn't have to drill the pivot holes. The truck sleeve is too large in diameter to fit inside the van's sleeve,so that will not work. From this point, you may be able to just bolt the van arms on your truck. I had a little problem with mine. I tried to install my driver's side arm and the holes wouldn't begin to line up. I found that the metal around the pivot bushing on the arm was up against the pivot bracket on the truck. Before you paint your lower control arms, you may want to grind a little off the arms around the pivot bushing.

When I put the wheels back on and dropped the truck onto the ground, I measured 1/2" between the bottom of the fender and top of the tire. Before the drop, I measured 3.5". I'm very pleased with that. To my surprise, the camber wasn't off too bad, however, the wheels were pointed in different directions. I also had to cut the bump stop brackets off because they were hitting the lower control arms. Another thing, any time you perform work like this to your vehicle, a front end alignment is necessary.

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The steering knuckle is a two piece design on the truck and van. You will need a 15/16" socket for these.
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Van arms with van lower steering knuckle
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Van arms with bump stops and ball joint removed
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Side by side comparison of the truck arm and van arm. Blue arrows point to the strut rod bolt holes that you need to drill.
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Truck pivot bolt (5/8") on top and van pivot bolt (3/4") on bottom
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Drilling the truck's pivot bolt bracket from 5/8" to 3/4"
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Grind in the unpainted area shown by the arrows. The holes in the lower control arms would not line up with the ones on the truck's pivot bracket due to this area touching the pivot bracket.
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Finished product
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Rear axle flip:
I found a pair of leaf spring perches on an old rearend I had. I unbolted the axle and dropped it to the floor. I removed the shocks and dropped the driveshaft to make it easier to move the axle around. You may not have to do either. Then, I clamped the leaf springs together with a C-clamp before I removed the leaf centering pin to flip it over. You will have to remove each leaf spring from their hangers and put them under the axle. Sit the spring perches on top of each leaf spring and sit the axle on top of the spring perches. The new spring perches should be on the exact opposite side of the axle from the original spring perches to keep pinion angle. Clamp everything down using your original lower shock mount plates (modified in the picture below) and new U-bolts. Weld the rear axle to the spring perches.

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Completed pictures.
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