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Old 04-26-2009, 05:56 PM
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Good day all. I just purchased a 2003 Dodge Dakota QC 4.7L 5-Speed Automatic Transmission (163000KM). The private dealer I bought it from replaced the transmission pan because he thought the old one was too rusted. When I asked him if he used ATF+4 to top up the trans fluid, he said it isn't necessary and he'd used the dexron/mercon generic stuff, and did not change the filter.
From what I understand on the forums here, it is not a good idea to use anything but Mopar ATF+4 on these transmissions. What should I do about this? Bring it to the dealer for a trans fluid/filter change? That will only change some of the fluid though correct? I was thinking flush but have heard that is no good for them wither. Please help, I don't want to kill the transmission!!

BTW- I called the local transmission shop here and they also said it is fine, and they use dexronIII on these transmissions all the time!
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if it was me i would flush it with the right stuff. i know these transmissions are prone to failure but with that many miles on it i would just do it and if it blows, it blows. what can ya do? there HAS to be a legit reason they specifically call for ATF+4. just because someone beats their wife and says 'it's cool i have been doing it for years' doesn't mean it's right.
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theres a reason the dealer and the manual will specifically tell you to use atf+4. I would take it to a real dodge dealer and just pay out of pocket to get it done right if i was you.
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Old 04-26-2009, 07:31 PM
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+1 You'll sleep better at night knowing it was done right. What is 163km? Roughly 120k mi?
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the idea is that these transmissions were designed to slip in a certain way
dextron has an antislip additive that DOES NOT bode well in a mopar transmission
ATF does not have anti slip
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strictly mopar atf+4 ONLY... some kid i went to school with put dexron/mercon combo fluid in his grand caravan, tranny went a week later. plus the cheap stuff doesnt have the necessary detergents and lubricating compounds for mopar transmissions.
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the idea is that these transmissions were designed to slip in a certain way
dextron has an antislip additive that DOES NOT bode well in a mopar transmission
ATF does not have anti slip
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strictly mopar atf+4 ONLY... some kid i went to school with put dexron/mercon combo fluid in his grand caravan, tranny went a week later. plus the cheap stuff doesnt have the necessary detergents and lubricating compounds for mopar transmissions.
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Plus, ATF+4 is designed to eb used on Mopar Transmissions. Dexron is designed to be used on GM Transmissions. GM and Mopar use different materials in their friction components, meaning they need a different lubrication oil. The Clutch packs will get destroyed if they are not used with the proper oil they were designed for.

Get that Dexron the hell out of that transmissions and put the ATF+4 in that it was designed for and then go slap the mechanic (Or rather idiot) that put the dexron in.

PS - Change the filter too.
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163000KM is roughly 101000Miles. I am going to call the local Dodge dealer today and find out what this is going to cost. Luckily as I mentioned the mechanic only changed the pan, so there is only a small amound of dexron in the tranny from when he topped it up. I think if I just get the dealership to do a regular filter and fluid change (rather than the flush), I should be OK.
The transmission seems very solid in this truck, the only thing I have noticed is that first thing in the morning it seems to rev up a little high when I first start going before it shifts. Almost sounds like 4LO or something, but then after that its fine. Is that normal?
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Spoke to the local Dodge dealer and they said not to worry about it, just bring it in and they would do a fluid/filter change on it. I suggested a flush to replace all the fluid and they said that was not necessary. Still $189 (CDN) for the fluid/filter change.
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Mine revs a bit higher in the morning before the first shift, but as soon as I'm down the road a hundred feet or so it stops.
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$189 wow. When I got it done last year when I owned a 3.9 auto it cost $100.

I don't know I figure just flush it and have it fresh and done and you won't have to worry about it for a long time.
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Thats $189 Canadian though. I was thinking about flushing it but from what I've heard flushing can be worse for the tranny than putting dexron in it!
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Thats $189 Canadian though. I was thinking about flushing it but from what I've heard flushing can be worse for the tranny than putting dexron in it!
only if its a high milage tranny that has never been serviced before.. i have mine flushed every 20K - 25K miles. plus new filter and fluid of course
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a flush is good for the trans, even the high mileage ones
it can be screwed up though which is why ppl say its worse
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batty is correct, done properly, it shouldn't have adverse effects.
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find a place that does the flush where they hook it up to a tub of clean fluid and then just let the tranny pump in the new and out the old untill its clean its the best way to do it there is a place by my house that does it that way i'm not sure exactly what its called though and your tranny is at least a little better and more reliable than the ones behind the 3.9, 5.2 and 5.9
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I agree with all the advice you have been given. Also make sure if your truck has a spin on return filter that they change that one as well. These tranny's are made to shift soft (by slipping into gear instead of hard shifting like normal tranny's), so I am putting a TransGo shift kit in mine. Seriously stick with the stuff Mopar calls for it is expensive, but if these things are taken care of and changed at regular intervals they are pretty bullet proof. The fluid is kinda like the oil in a motorcycle with a wet-clutch, you can't just use any 'ol type because it will mess with the friction plates. My tranny mechanic said if done right he barely ever see's one go out (these tranny's are also used in some RV's, at least that's what he said). I have 152000 on mine and runs strong as ever.
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you can flush it yourself pretty easy
put the truck in neutral pull the line off coming from the tranny, (by the rad.) You can run the tranny just about dry this way. just keep toping the tranny up to keep it from running dry, and you will know when it starts to get close to the end it slows down a bunch. run about 12-15 litres through the tranny
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