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Old 07-02-2009, 07:19 PM
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Hey all, I filed a complaint with NHTSA about my cracked dash


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... this is the e-mail I received. Maybe if enough complaints come in, Dodge will FINALLY do something.

Hello Joseph, thanks for adding the accessories - interior complaint with your 1995 Dodge Ram 1500 - it's been added to CarComplaints.com! Click on the link below to view your complaint:
http://www.carcomplaints.com/Dodge/R...ashboard.shtml

Cracked dashboards on Dodge Ram trucks is one of the most frequent complaints we receive. Up until recently, in most cases Dodge refused to do anything. Lately there has been a lot more pressure on them especially after a news station ran a report about the cracked dashboards. Go to www.CrackedDash.com for more help and information.

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Old 07-02-2009, 07:27 PM
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Good luck getting them to recall anything on a vehicle that is 8-14 years old.

I am not trying to be a dick, but there aren't very many companies out there that will do something like that on products that old.

How would a cracked dash pose a safety hazard? Flying pieces in a wreck? Pfft.....
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Old 07-02-2009, 07:39 PM
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The website says the sharp edges pose a hazard.

"However it's obvious (to us) that someone could be seriously hurt by the sharp edges of the exposed broken dashboards."

Thats kind of stretching it, I'd say. Not saying it isn't Dodge's fault or that they shouldn't recall them/fix them, just saying the whole "cut yourself on plastic" thing seems slightly lame.
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Old 07-02-2009, 07:49 PM
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Imagine some of those sharp, jagged pieces getting dislodged in an accident and flying in front of the airbag as it deploys. It could happen and, unfortunately, it will probably take something like that actually happening before NHTSA forces Dodge to do something about this. The longer this drags on, the fewer of these trucks will still be on the road when Dodge is finally forced to fix them. All car manufacturers know this and they delay doing anything until forced to for just this reason. It lowers the eventual cost of a recall. Ford wrote the book on this practice.
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Old 07-02-2009, 07:53 PM
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Ditto on what Miami said, and odds are it would have to happen at least a half dozen times and have law suits involved as well before Dodge would move on it.
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I agree with you guys but that is a really stupid way to do business. That is a wonderful way to loose customers and ruin a business. Which is why they are all doing so poorly. I will agree that most people aren't smart enough to think these things through when buying a car, but some of us do. I can tell you due to my bad experiences with cars, I wont buy a Honda, and I wont buy a GM. I probably wont buy a new DODGE because they are so screwie they don't know if they are coming or going. That is assuming they even survive past next year. That doesn't mean I don't love my DODGE, but that's the exception that proves the rule, as they say. I wouldn't buy a FORD either, but I bought a Mustang because I have always wanted one. Only live once you know, but I wouldn't buy any other FORD. Customer relations and satisfaction are very important, and my money is just as good any place else, so why give my money to a company that doesn't give a rat's a$$ about me?
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That is a wonderful way to loose customers and ruin a business.
they already went broke putting in cheapo dashes. why should they give a $hit now. don't hold your breath waiting on a response.
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You have to look at it as if they were two different companies. One company designs and build the vehicles and cares a lot about the products they make and sell and the people that buy them. The other cares about the stock price and sales numbers and in keeping the margins as high as possible in order to please shareholders. Unfortunately, these two companies almost always find themselves at odds with each other because they serve different masters.
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Imagine some of those sharp, jagged pieces getting dislodged in an accident and flying in front of the airbag as it deploys. It could happen and, unfortunately, it will probably take something like that actually happening before NHTSA forces Dodge to do something about this. The longer this drags on, the fewer of these trucks will still be on the road when Dodge is finally forced to fix them. All car manufacturers know this and they delay doing anything until forced to for just this reason. It lowers the eventual cost of a recall. Ford wrote the book on this practice.
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Ditto on what Miami said, and odds are it would have to happen at least a half dozen times and have law suits involved as well before Dodge would move on it.

Let's talk physics for a second. Did either of you have this in high school or college?

Let me pose the first question: What is the purpose of the airbag?
Purpose: To deploy upon impact with a speed great enough to allow it to become fully inflated to save the driver extreme injury. With me so far?

Now, let's get to the physics: When an object is moving forward, where is the inertia going to be? If the object isn't accelerating, there will be zero (0) inertia present. When the object impacts a stationary object, Where is inertia going to be then? It's going to follow the same direction that the object was traveling before sudden impact. So, if you are in a head on collision, the "dash shards" will be faced forward.
Since the air bag sensors are in the front end only, this eliminates the theory of side or rear impact.
Considering that the average automotive air bag will deploy in .10 seconds or less, There is a better chance of watching the moon fall out of the sky tonight before your theory becomes true.

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Old 07-02-2009, 10:39 PM
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Air bags go off over 5-15 mph.
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Air bags go off over 5-15 mph.
Sometimes it requires even more than that.

Back when I had my 1995 Dakota, I hit a little 1980s Chevrolet cavalier-sized car (can't recall the exact model) from behind. My front driver's brake had failed (no pad left). Thats a long story unto itself where my grandfather, a long time mechanic, said it was fine when it wasn't. I won't go into that.

Anyway, exited the interstate onto an off ramp, it was wet (been lightly raining all day), and wet plus no pad means I couldn't stop. Hit that car doing approximately 45 mph.

My airbags did not deploy. Even though I had literally put his trunk into his back seat, the ol' Dakota only needed new front headlights, grille, bumper, and hood latch. The radiator was a little scraped, but other than that, untouched.

The airbags go off after a certain amount of "crunching" takes place.
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Did it have air bags to start?
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No, they didn't invent air bags until the late 90s.

Yes, it had air bags.
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uhh. you got me jason. They should have popped. I did fins this. On wikipedia,
"Airbags became common in the 1980s, with Chrysler and Ford introducing them in the mid-1980s; it was Chrysler that made them standard equipment across its entire line in 1990 (except for trucks until 1995). Airbags were not mandatory on light trucks until 1995"
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Let's talk physics for a second. Did either of you have this in high school or college?

Let me pose the first question: What is the purpose of the airbag?
Purpose: To deploy upon impact with a speed great enough to allow it to become fully inflated to save the driver extreme injury. With me so far?

Now, let's get to the physics: When an object is moving forward, where is the inertia going to be? If the object isn't accelerating, there will be zero (0) inertia present. When the object impacts a stationary object, Where is inertia going to be then? It's going to follow the same direction that the object was traveling before sudden impact. So, if you are in a head on collision, the "dash shards" will be faced forward.
Since the air bag sensors are in the front end only, this eliminates the theory of side or rear impact.
Considering that the average automotive air bag will deploy in .10 seconds or less, There is a better chance of watching the moon fall out of the sky tonight before your theory becomes true.

Now bring the flames!
I suggest you do the practical testing and write a report of your findings. Use your own truck.
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uhh. you got me jason. They should have popped. I did fins this. On wikipedia,
"Airbags became common in the 1980s, with Chrysler and Ford introducing them in the mid-1980s; it was Chrysler that made them standard equipment across its entire line in 1990 (except for trucks until 1995). Airbags were not mandatory on light trucks until 1995"
They should not have popped.

The damage to my truck was no where near fatality causing, let alone causing any injury besides a bit of neck soreness from the sudden deceleration. The engine was untouched.
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Air bags only deploy when the crunch sensors (front ones are typically on or behind the front frame rail or metal bumper (for cars with plastic up front)) are activated. Or also when the car suddenly decelerates. There are advanced sensors typically mounted in the passenger compartment that detect a vehicles forward g's, lateral g's, and the tilt of the body. This data is sent to the SRS computer to help determine what the car is doing. If the sensors say the vehicle is cruising at 70MPH, then is suddenly going 0, the air bags will deploy. If you combine more crash sensors for side and rear, more or other air bags (such as side curtain or seat mounted ones) can be deployed to better protect the occupants based on impact speed and direction. Air bags are intended to prevent your torso and head from impacting with the steering wheel, just as head rests are there so your neck doesn't wrap around the seat back. However, if an air bag were to go off for you bumping into the car in front of you while parking at Wal-Mart, they would do more damage than good. Air bags deploy at amazing speed and slam into your face causing rashes and bruises. Also, the gas used to inflate them can asphexiate you.

But yes, the dashboard pieces, along with whatever crap is laying on your console or in your hand, will contine to travel forward (away from you) when the truck stops.
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I suggest you do the practical testing and write a report of your findings. Use your own truck.
Umm.... Nah, my truck isn't a good example. It sat outside in the scorching sun all of it's 12 years. Not a single crack.

Was thinking a little more about this last night, and isn't the dash made from vinyl not plastic?
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It's plastic I believe.

Laramie you are right, earlier I talked about the business side of the issue, didn't even think about the odds of the event even happening. Truthfully, if it was possible to happen, it already would have. I don't think it's likely at all. Seems like someone is trying to get a new dash....but with the age of these trucks, give up on any recalls at this point.
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I wish this could happen. My wife just noticed 2 weeks ago that my dash has finally started to crack. I guess 8 years wasn't a bad run.
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