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Old 07-29-2009, 12:09 PM
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Question Lift & Factory Rake Question

What is the purpose of the factory rake on these trucks? I know it probably helps a bit with a load in the back so that it is not sagging, but how about for aerodynamic purposes? Does it play a role in that?

The reason I ask is because when looking at lifts there are (as we know) a lot of choices and some are for example 2" front leveling kits and 2" susp lift kits. The latter will keep the factory rake while the former eliminates it.

By installing a leveling kit, will that hurt the truck's aerodynamics and therefore hurt fuel mileage?

Also, will installing a 2" susp lift kit hurt fuel mileage compared to my stock setup? If so, how much would you say?
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The 2nd gen Dodge Ram is supposed to be a very aerodynamic design. As for how much the lift will affect it, I'm not sure. I'm on the opposite side of the altitude range now . I'm sure the rake keeps the front end lower to the ground which does this that and the other.... It probably won't kill your MPGs but most lifts usually negatively affect them slightly.
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i dont think that you would be driving fast enough to feel the lack of aerodynamics with a lift installed.
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What you are going to change by leveling the front is the caster angle. This will have an impact on the handling. Caster on a solid front axle is not adjustable without a cutting torch.
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All I will say is not true! Camber is what is not adjustable, unless you buy adjustable ball joints.
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I'm curious if a 2" front leveling kit will realistically do anything. I can't really see it looking that different. I think I would prefer to go with a 2" or 3" susp lift (which will end up keeping the factory rake).
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A leveling kit is just for the front, to do exactly what it's called. A lift kit will raise it and level it. I'm sure you can call around to various manufactures and have the lift kit changed to meet your requirements. And btw, a 2 inch leveling kit will do a lot as to how your truck will look. It is 2 inches you know.
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Well the tough country lift kit I was looking at does not level it, it simply raises the front and rear the same amount. I'm just wondering if the leveling kit will give it a better look, or I guess in a way if its worth the money as to how it changes the stance.
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All I will say is not true! Camber is what is not adjustable, unless you buy adjustable ball joints.
WTF? not true? Please entertain me and tell me how you are going to adjust caster on a solid front axle? Please show me the adjusting sleeve or bolt that allows you to adjust caster. It is one thing to say that you are ignorant and don't know about what you are talking about which I would give you the benefit of the doubt, but you should really keep you mouth shut on something that you obviously know nothing.
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I'm not really looking for other places to buy from, I'm just trying to figure out if I want a leveling kit, or an actual lift kit. My boss deals with suspensionconnection.com and could get me a kit at a reduced price and I've been looking at some, mainly suspension lifts. The 3" seems to be significantly more than the 2" so I've been looking at the 2" leveling and 2" susp lift kits. I'm just really curious as to how much the leveling kit would affect the look of the truck vs. an actual lift.
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More specifically:

1. 2" leveling kit http://www.suspensionconnection.com/...n/329005L.html

Do I really need anything else? I hear people talk about new shocks, sway bars, etc.

2. 2" susp lift kit http://www.suspensionconnection.com/...-lift-kit.html

Are new shocks necessary? I know it says they are optional.
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I can tell you that your original premise of a rake is wrong. These trucks have no rake at all when new. Take it from someone who special ordered his truck from the factory. Mine was flat as a board for many months when I first got it. After 9-12 months then the springs started pushing up the back. It's not an intentional design, it's just that the back end is too light for the springs and that's why you get a rake. If you want to level your truck in any way it will look good and even.
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you wouldn't think a leveling kit wouldn't change appearance much, but we put a leveling kit on my dads truck, and holy shat, whole new attitude, it looked much meaner with the front end up in the air
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WTF? not true? Please entertain me and tell me how you are going to adjust caster on a solid front axle? Please show me the adjusting sleeve or bolt that allows you to adjust caster. It is one thing to say that you are ignorant and don't know about what you are talking about which I would give you the benefit of the doubt, but you should really keep you mouth shut on something that you obviously know nothing.
Dude, I'm not going to bother with you, other than to say you better go do some homework before you make yourself look any worse than you already have.
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I just put on a 3" lift I have not done my mpg's yet but I'm sure it went down a bit. I have not driven the truck at highway speed(which for me is 70) So I'm not sure how it will handle. If throwing a 2" spacer in you should be fine. I'm expecting a drop around 2 mpg's. There is a fair amount of weight that has been added to the truck and there is more suspension out in the wind.
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I wonder what a caster shim is?
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Got to watch those leaf springs. They will get stronger if you're not careful.
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I have the leafs but you need a touch to put the new leafs in. So right now I have the blocks in.
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Dude, I'm not going to bother with you, other than to say you better go do some homework before you make yourself look any worse than you already have.
Oh please bother. As I said before, show me the bolt, cam, sleeve, etc that you use to adjust caster. Your lack of respone show you clearly do not know anything about which you are speaking. The best thing you can do is keep your mouth shut and not respond. Unless of course you can point me to the device I need to adjust caster. You would cearly be the smartest person on the planet because up until now there was no mechanical means to adjust caster.
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