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Old 08-08-2009, 12:06 PM
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I'm in the middle of changing out my spark pkugs. I'm having 2 problems. The plug wire boot on the #5 cylinder (2nd one back on the passenger side), I can't get it off. The rest came off fairly easily, but this one is stuck. I've tried pliers, needle nose and my bare hands. All I've managed to do is mangle the boot so that there isn't much left to get ahold of.

My second problem is that the #2 and #4 cylinder (front 2 on the driver side), I can't get the spark plugs out. The rest have come out nicely, but these won't. It's not that they are so tight that I can't spin the wrench, it's that I can't get the socket on the plug. No matter what I've tried, the socket wrench just spins. The rest gripped easily and came right out.

So, I have 3 spark plugs and a wire boot that I can't get out. Any help would be tremendously appreciated, as this is my daily driver. I've never done a tune-up before, but it has been going very smoothly except for this. I even have the new cap, rotor, and wires ready to go. So, I'm just looking for help to get this finished. Thanks for reading!
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Old 08-08-2009, 12:32 PM
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try using a slightly smaller socket at tapping it on with a hammer start gently you dont want to use to much force
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Old 08-08-2009, 12:36 PM
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if you can't get the socket on the plugs then i would say that you have gunk around the bottom of the plug. grab the heat shield with a pair of channl locks and rotate it back and forth while pulling it off then clean around the plug and see if that will do the trick. with the stuck boot you should also remove the heat shield so you can get a grip on it. if the channel locks won't get it then you can use some needle nose pliers and put one side in the heat shield to get a grip then rotate and pull it off.
worst case scenario is that your threads are stripped on the plugs and thats why they won't come out, if its that then someone that has dealt with stripped plug threads should speak up.
if you tap on the socket with a hammer then you will probably break the porcelin on the plug and may screw up the threads on the plug.
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I didn't know that the heat shield could come off, I will try that now. Thank you.
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Hammer=Bad news, Try shooting some penetrating oil around the plug and let it set for awhile. The last guy that put the plugs in didnt use anti seize on then. Dont make his mistake when you put the new plugs in.
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^ Haha, 1+ In this case, hammer on your ignition system is a very bad idea. Sheriff has the right idea, just pull those heat shields off so you can see what your dealing with. Some penetrating oil might work, but unless that truck has set in water for a long time, I don't think those plugs would be siezed.... Just MY OPINION though.
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yep, the heat shields just pull off and they'll fit aroun the boot so if you ever have a stuck boot and don't want to mangle it then you can pull the heat shield over it and get a good grip. also with the heat shield off you can clean any gunk away from the plug easier instead of just shooting compressed air in there and hoping that it gets it all.
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Ok, not be a pain in everyone's ***, but what do we mean by the heat sheild? I'm assuming you mean the metal cylinder-type of thing that the spark plugs and the boot goes in, right? It doesn't seem like they come off. I tried with a pair of channel locks, and they just keep slipping off. By the way, thanks to everyone who is helping me out with this, I really appreciate it!

Also, while we are at it: The pcv valve is on the driver side valve cover, right? How do i get it off? It doesn't seem to want to just pull out, and I don't want to put pliers on it without asking you guys.
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They come off, you just have to wiggle them like hell. They aren't a remove and reinstall piece though. Once you remove it, it's gone.
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Is it possible to replace it with a new one, or will I just have to run without them? Will that damage anything?
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This is a debate that's been on going for awhile. Many take the idea that Chrysler put it there for a reason, and that it shouldn't be jacked with. Case is, that heat shield is exactly that. A heat shield. It protects the rubber boot from getting too hot and melting. It's a good idea to have the shields in place if you went with the OEM Style plugs. I'm talking direct MOPAR Replacement. 90% of the wires out on the aftermarket today are made of high temp Silicone. IIRC, my wires are rated at 500* F. The people that remove them, like I have, think that the heat shields do nothing for you except trap dirt and debris.
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Ok, I have tried with the channel locks, and they don't want to come come off. They don't twist or turn with the locks, and they are just stuck. I've been putting some muscle on them too, since I'm not putting them back on, I'm not worried about breaking them. Also, the pcv valve doesn't seem to want to come off either. Is there a special trick to that?
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Ok, well I got the new pcv valve in, along with 5 of the new spark plugs. Still no luck with the heat shields, though.
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I got 6 of the 8 spark plugs done. I'm still stuck on the 2, but it's running at least. Thank you guys for the help!
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take a small hose clamp and put on it and tighten
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i did say gently if there is corrosion on the plug causing it to slip or the edges are round they will slide on but again gently
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if you try a hose clamp put it close to the head. what you want to do is close that gap that runs down one side of the heat shield because they are held in there by pressure. if you try with the channel locks again make sure you have the gap in the middle of the jaws so when you squeeze it will close the gap. i have a pair of pliers that i use that have off set jaws and i put one jaw in and one outside of the heat shield then wiggle and twist like crazy to get them out. i normally take them all off when i mess with the plugs just so i can actually grab the boot and not the wire to pull it off.
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another thing with the plugs, try to get the rubber out of your socket or just try to push it down on the plug real good
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i removed my heat shields and threw them away 3 years ago. no problems in running without them.

to get the heat shields off, you can clamp on a set of vice grips for more leverage, or just take a hammer and beat on them back and forth. another tip is to GENTLY drive a screwdriver or punch down along the outer edge and deform them inwards. then wiggle them out.
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FYI If your worried about the heat thing. You can go to advance auto parts and get boot heat shields. They slip right on the boot!


They look like this
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But they are put out by a different name... They look the same as these tho! And im sure they are. Ive used the ones you can get at advance auto. There well worth the money if your having problems with plug wires getting too hot and melting/burning. Used on a Trans Am with Jet hot long tubes. Plug wires were getting burnt.. Not anymore tho.


But you probly wont have to worry about it. Like the guy above said^^. He's runnin without them with no probs.
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