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Old 03-08-2011, 12:31 AM
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I've been looking into doing this ever since I bought this truck. I've got a 440 Six Pack sitting on the engine stand just waiting to be dropped into something. I did some preliminary measurements and it seems that the only thing I would really have to do is get custom motor mounts, drive shaft, and depending on the transmission, a custom transmission cross member. Does anyone know if the A727 TorqueFlite transmission will bolt to the stock cross member? I figure I could move the engine forward a little, and since it's basically the first generation of the 46RE, I think it should fit pretty well. The A727 will fit behind the 440 since that's the trans that sat behind it anyways. I know I'll have to figure out something with the gauges, but I've got an electrical guy who says he could probably figure all of that out. If not, I'll just go after market. I'm not too worried about emissions since I can get a voucher that says it's only a racing vehicle.

Any problems I might run into with this idea?
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Cant help you with any of your questions, I just wanted to state that this will be a bad *** build. If only I had an extra 440 lying around....

Edit: after further thought, one of the many difficulties you'll need to overcome: fuel delivery.... but i'm sure you've already thought of this
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Well, that is on the list of things to figure out once I see if it will even fit, lol. I will probably be using a mechanical pump type setup, or a walbro external pump. Not sure how that will pan out yet, but once I get closer to the actual build I will figure all of that out somehow. I could probably get away with just using a fuel cell, but I doubt I would get more than 5 mpg with this setup as heavy as this truck is. Not to mention I haven't looked into the fuel delivery from the tank yet, I may have to use the fuel cell after all ...
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Oh, and you'll have to custom make all of the linkages, possibly reinforce the suspension to compensate for the added weight, it would be a good idea to get a stronger, lower geared rear-end (preferably with a locker of some kind)..... I could probably go on for volumes given more time to think of all the issues.

Don't let me dissuade you though, it will be a lot of work and custom fabbing, but the finished product will be as unique as a fingerprint (and will blow the doors off of many competitors if built right); And thats golden in my book.
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Yeah, I really need to figure out all of the little details after I figure out what's going to fit, and what's not going to fit. I know the 3.55 gears I have in here now would make that motor dog out. I had 4.10s in the donor car that I yanked that motor/trans out of and it felt pretty good with that. You're right about the suspension issues, this motor is stupid heavy, it's not as heavy as a 426 hemi, but it's pretty stout. I'd say it weighs about 600 lbs or so, while the 318 weighs about 550 lbs. (not sure about this newer one though) I can't imagine it would weigh less than 500 lbs though, so I don't really think 100 lbs would make too much of a difference, really.
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What are the measurements of the 440 vs. the 318? 727 vs. 46re/h? I imagine the 727 would be shorter than the 46 (since the 727 is a 46-sans o/d unit). How far back you want to put the engine in the bay will dictate how many issues you have with mounting a shorter tranny.
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If I had a 440 just sitting around in my shop...I'd throw it in the right car. I think you'd have more fun with that motor in a Charger, Cornet, Satellite, or even a Monaco....
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dont quote me with this...but i think the 46re will bolt up cause last i heard the bolt pattern is the same. not sure if it would hold up though... really thats about my only input it should be pretty straigh forward cause the 440 is carbed so it pretty easy
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For fuel delivery, just go with a return-style regulator, that will deal with the hefty input pressure. Use the tank, and pump, that's already there.

You can build the 46R? trans to tolerate the power of the 440. It won't be anything even remotely resembling 'cheap' though.

Re-gear would be absolutely necessary.....
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i don't see why you would really need to change the gears. the 440 should not have a problem turn your tires with 3.55 gears. my dad use to have a 66 dodge Monico with a 440 and it had no problems spinning tires and it had 2.71 gears in a posi rear end.
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More to relieve stress from the trans, than anything else.
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I'd say that if anything you would want to use smaller gears.
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if he uses a 727 trans he should not have to much of a problem. they are a strong transmission. now if he tries to use a newer transmission it may blow up under stress.
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If I had a 440 just sitting around in my shop...I'd throw it in the right car. I think you'd have more fun with that motor in a Charger, Cornet, Satellite, or even a Monaco....
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i don't see why you would really need to change the gears. the 440 should not have a problem turn your tires with 3.55 gears. my dad use to have a 66 dodge Monico with a 440 and it had no problems spinning tires and it had 2.71 gears in a posi rear end.
As heyyou stated, it is more for the health of the trans. Also, lower gears would better make use of the added torque and hp from the bigger engine imo. 4.10's or 4.56's would grant better off the line speed than the 3.55, and a well-built iteration would better withstand the stress than the weaker 9.25 corporate.
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Be original!!! Put it in the ram!! Don't let anyone tell you anything different. Post pictures when you have the 440 mocked up in the engine bay!!!
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Remember that the A727 is only a 3-speed so having 4.10s or 4.56's will mean that the motor will be screaming on the highway. With the big block there will not be a lack of torque needing to go to a lower gear and taller gears will help with traction (less final torque = less ability to spin the tires). The A727 is a stronger trans (simpler) than the A518 and if built right there is no reason to worry about it.

Also the RB series of motors (440) uses a different bellhousing than the LA/Magnum bellhousing.
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Well, I ran into a slight problem ... the risers on the 440 are way too tall for the truck. The carburetors will hit the firewall, once the filters are on so I will probably have to get at least a 3" body lift on the truck. Now that I am starting to look at this rationally, it's looking like this is going to be a long drawn out process. What I will for sure need to do is yank this 318 out and get measurements to be 100% sure of what I am dealing with here. Problem is I don't want to yank it unless I am for sure putting the 440 back in, or at least building a 408 stroker to put back in it. So I guess I've got some decisions to make before doing it ... do I go with the 440, or just build up a 408 with a carburetor?

Believe it or not the 440 is about the same length as the 318, I can't get an exact measurement on the 318 since it's still in the truck, but it's looking like the 440 might even be able to bolt up the 318's original mounting place. That's what I am hoping for, since then I can just lower the A727 or 46R right down into it's place with having to modify all sorts of stuff.

I am even debating on just putting the 440 in something that won't fall apart as soon as it gets hit with all that power. Do you think this frame can handle that amount of torque? It seems like it could, but I don't want to drop the 440 between those frame rails, drive it out on the street, punch the gas, and crumple the frame. Talk about a downer.
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Could possibly modify the firewall to allow clearance for the carbs (requires quite a bit of welding and know-how though)

I would think that the frame is strong enough to handle the 440. If you wanted to be really safe though, and your welding skill is considerable, you could fully box the frame where it transitions to unboxed under the bed (and on the frame horns in the front if desired).

Building a 408 is another idea, but I would go with the 440 if I had the time and resources (read:money). You see people doing 408's in these trucks fairly often, but i've never heard of a true 6-pack 440 under the hood of a ram.
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Well, I ran into a slight problem ... the risers on the 440 are way too tall for the truck. The carburetors will hit the firewall, once the filters are on so I will probably have to get at least a 3" body lift on the truck. Now that I am starting to look at this rationally, it's looking like this is going to be a long drawn out process. What I will for sure need to do is yank this 318 out and get measurements to be 100% sure of what I am dealing with here. Problem is I don't want to yank it unless I am for sure putting the 440 back in, or at least building a 408 stroker to put back in it. So I guess I've got some decisions to make before doing it ... do I go with the 440, or just build up a 408 with a carburetor?

Believe it or not the 440 is about the same length as the 318, I can't get an exact measurement on the 318 since it's still in the truck, but it's looking like the 440 might even be able to bolt up the 318's original mounting place. That's what I am hoping for, since then I can just lower the A727 or 46R right down into it's place with having to modify all sorts of stuff.

I am even debating on just putting the 440 in something that won't fall apart as soon as it gets hit with all that power. Do you think this frame can handle that amount of torque? It seems like it could, but I don't want to drop the 440 between those frame rails, drive it out on the street, punch the gas, and crumple the frame. Talk about a downer.
Move the 440 forward in the engine compartment. There is close to a foot in front of the fan before it hits the radiator.

I really doubt that the 440 mounts are even close. Looking at pictures of my 440 it looks like the motor mounts are like the old LA's with the mounts at the front of the block. The Magnum motors have mounts on the center of the block. I can almost guarantee nothing will line up so be prepared for fabbing.

What kind on power do you think that 440 will be producing? I think the frame should handle it.

Do some internet searches for the swap. It has been done before and I have seen the write ups.
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