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Old 03-04-2013, 03:15 AM
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I just bought a 94 Dodge Ram 2500 5.9l from my buddy who just bought a 09 Dodge Ram 1500 5.7l hemi. Turns out the 09 is faster haha as if I needed to tell you that. But I want to rebuild the 360 and my question is can the 360 hold enough hp to run with the hemi without being supercharged, turboed or stroking to the 408. I want beat his new truck with his old one lol
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Old 03-04-2013, 03:27 AM
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Hate to break it to you, but you won't.
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Old 03-04-2013, 05:08 AM
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How much hp can the 360 block hold if I added a supercharge or turbo then?
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Old 03-04-2013, 07:00 AM
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If you want to race the Hemi with a truck and win I'd bet cheapest and easiest way would be to buy a diesel, throw on a sticker here and there and walla, like 200 more HP.
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Come on now guys... Lol... It can happen
You will need to really beef up that 5.9 in your rebuild to hang in there though. The typical hot rod stuff... better heads, higher compression pistons, better rockers, cam.... Then of coarse you will need a retune on your PCM. I think Hemifever is the guy to talk to on that. From what I have heard, he can make your PCM run most any parameters you want.
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Old 03-04-2013, 08:18 AM
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the latest hemis have what, 390 at the crank? the 360 im building, should be throwing down close to 380 at the crank. i didnt touch the bottom end either. cam, 1.7 rr's, better heads, mopar m1, lt headers with appropriate exhaust, 50mm throttle body, and a hemifever tune.

youre looking at close to 3k in parts, and another 500-1k in small items.
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Old 03-04-2013, 08:30 AM
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Tuning is going to be the hard part. As you have a 94, Hemifever can't help you. You will have to either send your PCM out to be re-tuned, or put on a standalone system to compensate for mods. No way you are going to get enough power out of it without doing something with the electronics.
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Old 03-04-2013, 08:40 AM
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Thanks yall I can get him from 0-40 mph after that I'm toast. When he leaves his traction control on his rear wheels hit and miss without tc on he burns up tires lol. I was gonna do the 408 but the more I read the more work is required. I was actually gonna start buying parts for the 360 I just wanted to make sure I wasn't going to push the block over it's limit. And I thought about the diesel but it's so out played here in Waco, tx kinda lame.
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Old 03-04-2013, 08:42 AM
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I guess the biggest question...how much $$$ are you willing to spend to beat your friend?

Honestly, with a '94, and a big budget, I would build the 360 up to match the HP numbers of the Hemi. Run it with a carb instead of dicking with the fuel injection system. I would choose a different gear ratio for the gears. I would lighten the truck in safe ways. Choose tires with good grip but not obscene rolling mass.

That would be a truck that could beat an '09 Hemi...assuming he doesn't start spending money to stay undefeated.
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i already listed thing he could do to get to the hemi numbers. he could spend another 1k-1500 and get pistons, and the like, for bigger numbers. i know merc is pushing well over 400 with what hes done to his 360.
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My point is that the whole question is silly. "OMG my friend has a newer and more powerful truck and I want to beat him." I wish my biggest problem was if I should spend a couple grand to make a 20 year old truck faster than a 4 year old truck for bragging rights. LOL.
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Throw some gears in the back, you may not beat him in the 1/2 mile with lower gears. But off the line and 1/4 miles you will hand it to him.

I had a cherokee with 4.56 gears, and buddy has a mustang GT. I would stick some smaller tires(30s) on the cherokee (has 35s) and I would be gone. Take off like a rocket ship
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Throw some gears in the back, you may not beat him in the 1/2 mile with lower gears. But off the line and 1/4 miles you will hand it to him.

I had a cherokee with 4.56 gears, and buddy has a mustang GT. I would stick some smaller tires(30s) on the cherokee (has 35s) and I would be gone. Take off like a rocket ship
read the posts he already said he gets him off the line



to the po buy the 2nd gen that had the hemi set up replace the bum engine and win in a second gen with out dumping 3-5 grand (depending on your area)
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Off line AND 1/4 mile with better gears... But all this seems silly. trucks are trucks. Not go fast machines.
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Old 03-04-2013, 11:34 AM
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the latest hemis have what, 390 at the crank? the 360 im building, should be throwing down close to 380 at the crank. i didnt touch the bottom end either. cam, 1.7 rr's, better heads, mopar m1, lt headers with appropriate exhaust, 50mm throttle body, and a hemifever tune.

youre looking at close to 3k in parts, and another 500-1k in small items.
There used to be a guy on here that threw a bunch of money at his truck in the short time he was here and went to a shop with a dyno a few times while he was at it. He gained something like 70hp just by replacing the heads. I could see your combo putting out near 270ish once it gets to the ground.
Since you're going to be doing what you're doing with the truck already then you might want to think about throwing an off road y-pipe on your list if it isn't already on it with the "appropriate exhaust", it's been said on here that they make a big difference in exhaust flow.
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Just putting on a set of eddy aluminum heads and a small cam will get you 130hp gain add some more parts and hp and tq numbers will go up even farther. These motors respond well to mods, have a very strong lower end most parts on/in it will support up to 500hp even the crappy heads with work will go that high. All it takes is cash and the right combo of parts and big hp/tq numbers can be reached. As for putting a hemi in a second gen truck not me, the Hemi's have there own share of problems.

How to add 129hp to a Magnum motor.

http://www.hotrod.com/techarticles/e...e/viewall.html
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There used to be a guy on here that threw a bunch of money at his truck in the short time he was here and went to a shop with a dyno a few times while he was at it. He gained something like 70hp just by replacing the heads. I could see your combo putting out near 270ish once it gets to the ground.
Since you're going to be doing what you're doing with the truck already then you might want to think about throwing an off road y-pipe on your list if it isn't already on it with the "appropriate exhaust", it's been said on here that they make a big difference in exhaust flow.
i have the pacesetter longtubes with the pacesetter y pipe that goes with them. running a 3" single exhaust.
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Come on now guys... Lol... It can happen
You will need to really beef up that 5.9 in your rebuild to hang in there though. The typical hot rod stuff... better heads, higher compression pistons, better rockers, cam.... Then of coarse you will need a retune on your PCM. I think Hemifever is the guy to talk to on that. From what I have heard, he can make your PCM run most any parameters you want.
Isn't the hemifever tune only '96 and newer? His is '94. I could have this mixed up with something else though....
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