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Old 07-10-2013, 10:07 PM
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95 Ram 1500 5.9 efi gas engine.
Completed new engine install. Everything is connected and THEN (?)
Turn the key and check all guages, and temp guage shoots to 260 degrees.
Engine has not even fired up yet and guage reads 260.
Turn off the key and it drops to 0 degrees where it should be.
Engine cranks but wont start. Almost seems like no power to plugs.
New Accel mopar coil, new distributor and cap,new plug wires.
And full set of 8 Autolite XP3924 Iridium spark plugs.
All ignition conections with Dielectric lube.
New engine ground wires #8 wire from engine to firewall conections.
Where did i get messed up??
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Old 07-10-2013, 10:17 PM
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Get copper core spark plugs. These Trucks don't like fancy stuff. But that's trivial stuff

Need to verify you're getting spark to the cylinder.

Hear the fuel pump prime?

Proper wire routing?

Give us more detail on what you did exactly and why?
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Not sure what problems you have had with your spark plugs.
But woud like to assure you i have used the XP Iridium in all my trucks.
Never had any problem with them. That big bright white/blue spark lights up that -50 degree fuel just like it should.
Never used the Copper ones, but no need to change these for another brand.
Replaced the temp sensor and fixed the temp issue.
Replaced the crankshaft sensor and sparrk is true blue.
Problem seems to be fuel is not gettin g into combustion chamber.
Fuel rail is presurized, but seems fuel injectors are not getting signal to charge cylinders with fuel...
Have not solved that issue yet.
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Old 07-16-2013, 08:35 PM
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Default Fuel not being injected into engine

95 Ram 1500 5.9 efi gas engine.
This is new engine, never been fired and after checking everything i can think of it is not getting fuel into the cylinders.
Fuel rail is charged with gas but seems injectors are not getting electric pulse to spray fuel ino chambers.
Injectors were all checked and tuned by quality performance tech before they were installed.
Is there a part of the electrical system for fuel injectors that i might have missed ???
Have several threads in non-tech section on this engine but no solution has been offered.
Really need serious advice to help me get this fixed.
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Try looking here they have all kinds of diagrams.

http://www.revbase.com/BBBMotor/Wd

This is the injector diagram.

http://www.revbase.com/BBBMotor/Wd/DownloadPdf?id=1526

Looks like the PCM controls the injectors.

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Old 07-16-2013, 08:47 PM
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Check your cam position sensor. (it's in the distributor) If it has failed, or, simply isn't hooked up, the PCM doesn't know which injector to fire, so it defaults to "none"......

Are you getting spark?
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check the ground on the power steering pump. that will stop the injectors from firing too.
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Distributor/cam sensor is hooked up properly.
How could i test it to see if its sending signal ?
Plenty of spark ..
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Its just a hall effect switch. A scope would make it easy, but, not many folks have those at home.....

Getting any codes? The PCM should whine about no cam signal if it isn't getting one, and the motor turns several times. (according to the crank sensor....)

Old sensor, or new?
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Every sensor on this engine is new OEM sensor.
Have great power to every plug and timing light.
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Got an analog meter? Stick it in the tan/yellow wire on the cam sensor connector (with it still hooked up) and the needle should bounce when you crank the engine.
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Do you have a set if noid lights? You could use them to verify injector pulse which would rule out the pcm and injector wiring. I would also check to make sure you have adequate fuel pressure by hooking up a gauge to the port on the fuel rail. If its a 98 or older it should be at 39 psi 98 and newer should be about 49 psi.

Since this is a new motor I'm going to assume that you had to install the distributor which means you will need to set fuel sync as well. The best way is with a high end scanner but there is a procedure on here somewhere on how to get it close without a scanner.

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Do you have a set if noid lights? You could use them to verify injector pulse which would rule out the pcm and injector wiring. I would also check to make sure you have adequate fuel pressure by hooking up a gauge to the port on the fuel rail. If its a 98 or older it should be at 39 psi 98 and newer should be about 49 psi.
Change over year is 96.
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Well I stand corrected.
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Why is a tech question in the General section?
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Same reason we have general threads in the tech section, and all manner of interesting threads in the FAQ section.
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I'm thinking ground like Redneck stated.
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Going to check all the wires and grounds again.
The its going to be towed to Dodge dealer where they will spend 8-10 hours checking everything i have previously checked, before using all that fancy equipment to locate and maybe fix the problem.
Based on their 185$$ an hour i will have a brand new 18 year old 1995 Ram 1500, empty pockets and skinned alive.
And of course i will never be told exactly what the problem was.
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Going to check all the wires and grounds again.
The its going to be towed to Dodge dealer where they will spend 8-10 hours checking everything i have previously checked, before using all that fancy equipment to locate and maybe fix the problem.
Based on their 185$$ an hour i will have a brand new 18 year old 1995 Ram 1500, empty pockets and skinned alive.
And of course i will never be told exactly what the problem was.
Not to get off topic but as my grandfather would say "It's the price we pay to live where we live".
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Default Could you please define Fuel Sync ?

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Do you have a set if noid lights? You could use them to verify injector pulse which would rule out the pcm and injector wiring. I would also check to make sure you have adequate fuel pressure by hooking up a gauge to the port on the fuel rail. If its a 98 or older it should be at 39 psi 98 and newer should be about 49 psi.

Since this is a new motor I'm going to assume that you had to install the distributor which means you will need to set fuel sync as well. The best way is with a high end scanner but there is a procedure on here somewhere on how to get it close without a scanner.
Not sure if i may have missed something here.
Fuel sync, im not sure if i understand that procedure.
I will tell you that when i installed new distributor, the two dots on timing gears were exactly as required and shown in tech specs.
The #1 piston was at TDC, and the rotor on distributor was exactly lined up with #1 on distributor cap.
Everything was exactly to tech specs.
I have searched for information to better help me from here, but nothing i can find hits the nail on the head so to speak.
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