Go Back   DodgeForum.com > Dodge Trucks > Dodge Ram > 2nd Gen Ram Tech
Sign in using an external account
Register Forgot Password?


2nd Gen Ram Tech 1994-2001 Rams: This section is for TECHNICAL discussions only, that involve the 1994 through 2001 Rams. For any non-tech discussions, please direct your attention to the "General discussion/NON-tech" sub sections.

Has anyone put 5,7hemi into 2nd gen or turbocharged a 360?

Reply
 
 
 
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
  #1  
Old 10-21-2013, 01:45 AM
bigred121787 bigred121787 is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2013
Posts: 2
Default Has anyone put 5,7hemi into 2nd gen or turbocharged a 360?

Has anyone put 5,7hemi into 2nd gen or turbocharged a 360 looking to do something different seeing if it possible to fit 3rd gen engine into 2nd gen truck Thanks
This ad is not displayed to registered and logged-in members.
Register your free account today and become a member on Dodge Forums!
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 10-21-2013, 06:26 AM
Wildman4x4nut's Avatar
Wildman4x4nut Wildman4x4nut is offline
All Star
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Vehicle: 1997 Jeep TJ w/5.9 Mag & auto
Location: Cle Elum, WA
Posts: 987
Default

Yes & Yes
__________________
Wildman: 2006 Dodge Ram 3500 Mega Cab CTD, 1997 Jeep Wrangler w/408 V-8 & Auto tranny
Wildman@4x4nut.com 5.9 Engine Build Thread www.4x4nut.com
Scars only show us where we've been not where we're going...............
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 10-22-2013, 01:07 AM
bigred121787 bigred121787 is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2013
Posts: 2
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Wildman4x4nut View Post
Yes & Yes
Maybe some pics or discription wats all involved
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 10-22-2013, 10:50 AM
utmkiv's Avatar
utmkiv utmkiv is offline
Rookie
 
Join Date: Oct 2013
Posts: 71
Default

What's involved? A **** load of work. If you're doing the swap, factor the price of a new transmission. If you wanna try and run boost through the motor, I imagine you'll need to factor more than just a "bolt on" kit. Might need some internal work done on the motor to compensate for the extra pressure.
If you're legitimately looking to do either one of these, I'm guessing you don't need DF to tell you what's involved...
__________________
1997 Dodge Ram 2500 5.9 Magnum V8 4x4
Hughes Plenum Kit, Firestone Airbags, 180* Tstat
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 10-22-2013, 10:57 AM
HeyYou's Avatar
HeyYou HeyYou is offline
Section Moderator
Dodge Forum Moderator
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Vehicle: 1996 Dodge Ram 2500
Location: Adrian, MI
Posts: 34,322
Default

Find the thread by DDRI, he made the attempt at his, and after two years of working on it, finally had to give it up. (not because it couldn't be done, just his priorities were shifted.)

For the engine swap, you will need a donor truck. That will make sure you have most of what you need. The rest you will have to fabricate.
__________________
1996 Ram 2500 5.9 EC/SB Gas, Auto, 4x4, Hughes plenum plate, Kegger mod, double roller timing set, rest is stock. For now.....
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 10-22-2013, 11:01 AM
jkeaton's Avatar
jkeaton jkeaton is online now
Dodge Forum Moderator
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Vehicle: Various
Location: Winston Salem, NC
Posts: 13,887
Kent Eaton
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by bigred121787 View Post
Maybe some pics or discription wats all involved
There is not enough room on this server to list all thats involved and the pics to go along with it. You can google it and find plenty of info out there on the interweeb.
__________________


2013 Dodge Journey SXT
2007 Ford Mustang
2005 Mitsubishi Eclipse GT Spyder
2004 Hyundai Tiburon GT
1995 Chevy Z71 K1500
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 10-22-2013, 11:17 AM
Ham Bone's Avatar
Ham Bone Ham Bone is offline
Champion
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Vehicle: 01 1500(and a half?) 4x4
Location: Blacksburg, VA
Posts: 3,458
Mr Lambman
Default

Waste of time and money IMO. Escpecially when's its so easy and cheap to build a 5.9 magnum
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 10-22-2013, 11:33 AM
utmkiv's Avatar
utmkiv utmkiv is offline
Rookie
 
Join Date: Oct 2013
Posts: 71
Default

^ Exactly.
You would have a better truck if you built another 5.9 magnum, and dropped it in. Forget the Hemi swap, the built 5.9 would perform better IMO. I can't even imagine how unreliable a boosted 5.9 would be unless you rebuild just about everything..
__________________
1997 Dodge Ram 2500 5.9 Magnum V8 4x4
Hughes Plenum Kit, Firestone Airbags, 180* Tstat
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 10-22-2013, 11:53 AM
HeyYou's Avatar
HeyYou HeyYou is offline
Section Moderator
Dodge Forum Moderator
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Vehicle: 1996 Dodge Ram 2500
Location: Adrian, MI
Posts: 34,322
Default

360 would probably survive low-boost applications without too much trouble. (less than 7PSI.) Beyond that, serious internal mods would be necessary. The stock heads are not the most reliable, and I would replace them with better units if you want more than that. Plenum would most certainly have to be addressed as well. (if not simply eliminated.)
__________________
1996 Ram 2500 5.9 EC/SB Gas, Auto, 4x4, Hughes plenum plate, Kegger mod, double roller timing set, rest is stock. For now.....
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 10-22-2013, 12:05 PM
utmkiv's Avatar
utmkiv utmkiv is offline
Rookie
 
Join Date: Oct 2013
Posts: 71
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by HeyYou View Post
360 would probably survive low-boost applications without too much trouble. (less than 7PSI.) Beyond that, serious internal mods would be necessary. The stock heads are not the most reliable, and I would replace them with better units if you want more than that. Plenum would most certainly have to be addressed as well. (if not simply eliminated.)
Yeah, I was thinking about the Plenum gasket. I don't imagine it would respond well to additional pressure..
It's just not worth it for a lousy little turbocharger.
__________________
1997 Dodge Ram 2500 5.9 Magnum V8 4x4
Hughes Plenum Kit, Firestone Airbags, 180* Tstat
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 10-22-2013, 01:22 PM
topkin topkin is offline
Professional
 
Join Date: Oct 2013
Vehicle: 2001 Dodge Ram Sport 4x4
Location: Colorado Rockey Mtns
Posts: 231
Default

First make sure your motor is in tip-top shape. If your dead set on forced induction I'd go supercharger. Summit Racing has Paxton kits for a few grand which includes fuel system upgrades that you will need and the fuel managment system included (although it's not listed, just read the details below).

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/pa...iew/make/dodge

I haven't read to much into this subject for these motors and what kinda pressure they can take on stock internals. I've owned a few turbo cars and instaled several kits on friends cars. There is a large learning curve if you have no experiance with forced induction. It will be benificial to leave the tuning up to a professional on a dyno. You will be upgrading your entire fuel system to support the additional air being compressed into the motor.

It would be wise to have another mode of transportation untill you get all the tweaks worked out. Also when you start boosting ANY type of vehical, things start to break.

EDIT: Hmm just serched around the net for some more info on this. Sounds like there is no type of knock sensor on these motors, this is not a good thing when boosting a motor.
__________________
2001 Ram Sport 4x4 5.2L Auto
CAI/Flowmaster Cat/DynoMax Catback/Jasper Trans
/Superchips/180*/MSD 8mm&Coil/CompCam Dbl Roller

Last edited by topkin; 10-22-2013 at 01:36 PM..
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 10-22-2013, 01:50 PM
utmkiv's Avatar
utmkiv utmkiv is offline
Rookie
 
Join Date: Oct 2013
Posts: 71
Default

I've got a 2001 VW 1.8t Jetta that's worked for a long time, but that's boosted from the factory (only upped it a little). Whenever people add boost to a motor it severely decreases the reliability, and longevity of the motor. Basically if you add boost expect a whole list of issues to crop up. Like Topkin said there is a HUGE learning curve with forced induction systems, and I don't even know if it's worth it on the 360. Anybody know what kind of power increase comes with the summit supercharger?
__________________
1997 Dodge Ram 2500 5.9 Magnum V8 4x4
Hughes Plenum Kit, Firestone Airbags, 180* Tstat
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 10-22-2013, 02:26 PM
HeyYou's Avatar
HeyYou HeyYou is offline
Section Moderator
Dodge Forum Moderator
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Vehicle: 1996 Dodge Ram 2500
Location: Adrian, MI
Posts: 34,322
Default

Hahns5.2 runs (or, at least, used to...) a remote turbo on his 5.2 Dakota, and doesn't have any unusual issues. If you don't go overboard on the boost, it can remain just as reliable as stock.
__________________
1996 Ram 2500 5.9 EC/SB Gas, Auto, 4x4, Hughes plenum plate, Kegger mod, double roller timing set, rest is stock. For now.....
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 10-22-2013, 03:08 PM
utmkiv's Avatar
utmkiv utmkiv is offline
Rookie
 
Join Date: Oct 2013
Posts: 71
Default

Well I can't imagine the power gains would be that great. At least not cost justifiable. You could get better performance without having to bolt on a turbo and run the bare minimum amount of boost. It would probably cost about the same too.
Well if one of the other members runs boost I'd be interested to see what kind of power they make.
__________________
1997 Dodge Ram 2500 5.9 Magnum V8 4x4
Hughes Plenum Kit, Firestone Airbags, 180* Tstat
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 10-22-2013, 03:26 PM
HeyYou's Avatar
HeyYou HeyYou is offline
Section Moderator
Dodge Forum Moderator
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Vehicle: 1996 Dodge Ram 2500
Location: Adrian, MI
Posts: 34,322
Default

Gotta agree with ya there. For the thousands you would invest, you would get maybe 100 extra horseys. Maybe. 408 build would probably end up cheaper, and put more power to the ground as well.

I think Hahns has some dyno charts posted in the General Discussion section.
__________________
1996 Ram 2500 5.9 EC/SB Gas, Auto, 4x4, Hughes plenum plate, Kegger mod, double roller timing set, rest is stock. For now.....
Reply With Quote
  #16  
Old 10-22-2013, 03:50 PM
merc225hp's Avatar
merc225hp merc225hp is offline
Champion
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Vehicle: Big Black Ram
Location: N/A
Posts: 4,663
Default

Have a look see, some dyno sheets there as well. Not my thing thats for sure.

http://www.performanceinjectionequip...om/Turbos.html
__________________

Built, 5.9, Clocked/indexed Np241, Dana 60 diff swap. Built by me not bought!
Reply With Quote
  #17  
Old 10-22-2013, 06:16 PM
utmkiv's Avatar
utmkiv utmkiv is offline
Rookie
 
Join Date: Oct 2013
Posts: 71
Default

Yeah, some vehicles are better off without.
__________________
1997 Dodge Ram 2500 5.9 Magnum V8 4x4
Hughes Plenum Kit, Firestone Airbags, 180* Tstat
Reply With Quote
  #18  
Old 10-23-2013, 12:10 AM
Hahns5.2's Avatar
Hahns5.2 Hahns5.2 is offline
Record Breaker
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Vehicle: 95 Dakota Sport CC
Location: Battle Ground WA
Posts: 2,180
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by utmkiv View Post
Well I can't imagine the power gains would be that great. At least not cost justifiable. You could get better performance without having to bolt on a turbo and run the bare minimum amount of boost. It would probably cost about the same too.
Well if one of the other members runs boost I'd be interested to see what kind of power they make.
You can actually run a lot of boost through these motors with a minimum amount of work if you know how to tune and keep IATs in check. Stock headgaskets will let go around 10PSI. Fix that weak spot and they're known to take over 12PSI and up to 18.


I have 60k boosted miles on my motor from 7-10PSI
__________________
5.2, 5 Speed, MS3X (Full Sequential, Spark, Idle, Boost Control, Fan, Water/Meth), HX40 Pro/P-Trim Hybrid.


Reply With Quote
Old 10-23-2013, 12:10 AM
 
 
 
Reply




Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off

Forum Jump

Join DodgeForum
Advertising

Featured Sponsors
Vendor Directory
Our Sponsors
All times are GMT -4. The time now is 04:04 PM.

Internet Brands, Inc.


Contact Details & Emails