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Old 01-05-2014, 06:01 PM
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Hi !!,am not new in this big community but am a lover of my truck,i got a 1997 dodge ram 5.9 Laramie whit 150.000 miles on it!!,truck runs fine and steady but i did check the plenum issue and notice a lightly film of oil down there !!,anyways i got the income tax coming around 2000 bucks and planning of do some mods on my baby,i already have a expectre cai and flow-master , my question is : In what order should i do these : F1 Airgap intake from Hughes(this mod is going for sure),eldelbrock 65643 shorty ceramic coated headers,underdrive pulley,harmonic balancer,new water pump,autolites plugs,180* termostat,timing chain(double rollers),please i have been reading lost of threats to learn from the tops guys in this super nice forum and am ready to spend that coming money to my 5.9 baby,need advise please,thanks!!!
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Old 01-05-2014, 06:35 PM
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Are you spending the whole 2k on it? If so, it should get you most if not all of the parts listed, and if that's the case it wont matter what order you do them in.
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Old 01-05-2014, 06:46 PM
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Yeah!!??,well i was thinking of something around 1500 cause ill have to pay a decent mechanic to do it all !!!,don't no a thing about work in trucks!!,lol sorry,do i really need the 1.7 Harlan sharp roller rockers there like 600 bucks??
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Old 01-05-2014, 07:59 PM
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Since these are not going to be do-it-yourself repairs, here is the order I'd consider:

Intake+gasket set, water pump, double roller timing chain set, distributor cap+rotor, Taylor 8mm plug wires, Autolite plugs, 180* stat+gasket, harmonic balancer (only if yours is bad or going bad), E'brock shorty headers+good header gaskets. Given that labor has to be paid out to install these parts, the headers may have to wait, given the labor rate/cost.. Check your radiator (since coolant must be drained to do this work anyway) and make sure its in good shape and not leaking - if it needs replacement, consider the all-aluminum replacement CSF 2969, as noted in this link:

http://dodgeforum.com/forum/2nd-gen-...-radiator.html

Given the mileage noted, is your transmission, front suspension and rear axle in good shape? If not, may need some funds to get them up-to-snuff, too.

Lastly, is this a 4x4 truck?

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Old 01-05-2014, 08:45 PM
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Nope atomic it is a 2wd and??,how about the famous 1.7 Harland sharp ratio roller rockers??,and the transmission shift perfect so far so good!!,i know cause of the learning here that i should do gears but my main consent know is ones i open that engine spend the money inside and around so when i close it no need to go back.what do u think??
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Any roller rocker is a good upgrade, getting rid of any parasitic drag helps. The 1.7 are a bonus because of the ratio change. More like $300-$350 for a set.
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Old 01-05-2014, 09:19 PM
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Ok so finally am going to go whit F1 airgap intake around $600,1.7 Harland roller rockers $360,timing chain (doble roller),edelbrock ceramic coated shorty headers $500 ,denso or delphi water pump $100 ,timing chain(doble roller)$60,and i guest that it!!,rest of the money belongs to the mecanic!!,what u guys think??,missing something???
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Wideband 02 should be in that list $200-$500, new lifters $120, Mopar performance pcm or SCT tuner $300-$500.
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Old 01-05-2014, 09:34 PM
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Yeah merc SCT is definitive is going to come after that for sure and the PCM upgrade to but for now i think is going to be a good gain for performance to my truck,also ill have to check cause i think that the throttle body is already a 52 mm,so......
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Labor to get all that is going to be more than $500 I'm thinking. Labor is $80/hr around here. It cost me about $100 just to get a muffler installed. (First and last time I will pay a shop if I can avoid it). Obviously a mechanic is quicker than me, but when I did my plenum it was like a 4-5 hr job iirc, and this would be comparable to the air gap install.
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I agree - unless you are on very good terms with a mechanic, labor is not likely to be cheap for this work. Might want to check with your designated mechanic to obtain an estimate for the desired labor and to determine if your mechanic will allow you to purchase your own parts.

I'd do everything listed above, with the exception of the 1.7 rocker arms, as they can easily be installed later - only requires removal of the valve covers, plus new valve cover gaskets.

Don't forget to include the distributor related items (cap, rotor, plug wires) - with the intake off the truck, it makes access to the distributor easy and takes care of items that can cause pesky/needless breakdowns later.

BTW, when you have a moment, please update your profile with more information about your truck.

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Old 01-06-2014, 02:01 AM
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Glad you are excited about your dodge truck. They are great trucks but they are dogs when it comes to performance. Let me give you a little perspective on what you are about to invest in.

These trucks are severely under powered with a 200hp motor and thats the bigger 360. Performance gain with all these mods will be very little, maybe 20hp above 4000 rpm. Is 20hp worth that much time and money to you?

You already have the best performance mods that will make a difference CAI, Catback exhaust and 52mm TB. You won't get much more from your planned mods without a new cam and heads, or stroker kit.

Installation is probably gonna cost more than the parts themselves. I would get a good friend that knows automotive repair to give you a hand and do it yourself. Get the free Official tech repair manual from this site. Take some time to read each section you plan to work on and then read again till you understand and feel comfortable installing it yourself. Also visit the many DIYs on this site.

Don't want you to put all that cash and effort into your truck and expect huge gains, it takes a lot to wake these motors up past what you already have. It can be done but requires a lot of hours under the hood, if not doing labor yourself I don't see the tiny performance gain worth that much money.
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Ummmm?,not gain?? How come all the nice trucks here had all this expensive mods and they say that opens up there trucks???,so the F1 airgap and nice shortys headers would do minimal improve on my truck??,:-(
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Ummmm?,not gain?? How come all the nice trucks here had all this expensive mods and they say that opens up there trucks???,so the F1 airgap and nice shortys headers would do minimal improve on my truck??,:-(
Yes my friend, won't get much more power out of that motor with your planned mods. Maybe 20hp more. Gotta go pretty deep into the motor and pocket to get more out of it. There are some other members that will tell you the same.

However if you do gears you will notice a nice improvement.
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Old 01-06-2014, 12:18 PM
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Ok thanks for all your help guys and ill be doing the F1 airgap and shortys ,and going to star searching for gears!!!,its always a pleasure to be part of this forum!!!,keep it up!!!
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Ok thanks for all your help guys and ill be doing the F1 airgap and shortys ,and going to star searching for gears!!!,its always a pleasure to be part of this forum!!!,keep it up!!!
If you install these parts before a tuner you are going to lose bottom end, you need the sct and the 1.7 to help recover that loss. If you use the SCT you don't have to upgrade the pcm, the SCT will program your current one to work with your mods.

Gear's do not add any hp or tq all it does is change the effective ratio. If you make 235hp & 196 ftlbs tq it will still be the same after the gears are installed.

Beeker has a thread on here that has dyno sheets in it from the mods he has done, you might hunt that thread up and have a look at it.
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Ok mercury so please what u should do whit this 2,000 bucks coming soon???,like if u were me!!!,sct then F1 airgap?,(or Hughes single plate?),shortys and roller rockers???,the thing is that I don't know what are the steps to follow!!,please advise!!
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SCT tuner, no labor charge.
Hughes plenum plate, 4hrs labor
1.7 rr's, 1.5-2hrs labor
Shorty headers, 4hrs labor

As for the intake look for a used M1 or a used airgap, they don't have to be new. I have seen the M1 used go for $300 or less.

Found this one on ebay, its an egr intake but that can be plugged off.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/mopar-perfor...-/111249057217

This is the part number you need for the M1 intake.

P5007852 M1 intake, 2 bbl mpi, aluminum, single plane, magnum direct replacement, without EGR 1997-02 5.2/5.9 same height as stock manifold. $486.50
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Whoa merc thanks a lot!!!!,am going to go in that direction!!!!,finally I have my steps in order whith my money!!!!,I can't way to star preparation for those mods!!!,so excited!!!,sorry but I really love the sound and look of these 2nd generation dodge,mine is a beast and I hope to get more power and acceleration from my truck!!!,again thanks for your time and help!!!,am so glad to be a member of this forum which so many good knowing people that helps the ones like me!!!!,happy New year!!,and most than anything what a beautiful truck u have chief!!!!!,lol take care.
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Have fun with your build, you will enjoy the end results.

Anytime and Thank You for the complement.

I hope you stick around DF its a great place with great people.
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