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46/47 RE trans help.... 4BT into a 99, 1500

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Smile 46/47 RE trans help.... 4BT into a 99, 1500

Pulling the 360 and 46re out of a 99 sport 1500 2wd, I have the 4bt and a 47re to go in....

The questions....

are the plugs/harness the same between the 46 and 47?

Is there anyway to program the 1500 PCM to shift the trans at a different rpm with something like superchip or hemi fever tune?

Worst case I will get a 98 12v cummins harness and pcm but if I can make the gas electronics work, it will be a huge time and $ saver
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Old 02-28-2014, 10:33 AM
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Trans plugs should be the same.

Not sure you will be able to convince the gas PCM to run things. It is going to be missing some inputs that it wants.... (cel will constantly be on)

Another member did this swap.....
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getting the pcm to work wont be an issue, just the shift points will be, i ran my 98 12v on the v-10 harness and computer for a bit, that stuff is simple for me, and the cel can be "fixed" :-) thanks for the link ill do some reading but looks like he went with the RH trans
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here are a few pics

picked up the 99 sport 1500 2wd for $800 runs and drives great and still registered, couldnt pass that up, traded a old 454 for the 4bt, bought a complete rebuilt 47RE for $500, and have a few parts rigs to pull the power steering/vacuum pumps, intercooler and piping, and all of the other little stuff, with any luck this thing will look and work like it came from the factory this way

day i picked it up



changed tires wheels and both bumpers



and the 4bt.... wish it was a p-pump, but the a-pump will do just fine

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I *think* the PCM will want vehicle speed, engine RPM, throttle position, and possibly engine temp to run the trans, that may be it.... try it and see I suppose.
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ya i got the rpm and the tps covered,the vss will remain intact, and the temp sensor i will just swap from the 360 if the ohm's are different from the cummins sensor
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I would think that would be enough for the PCM to run the trans..... Maybe MAP sensor as well.... (which would make your life really interesting.....)
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well... im about 99% sure the map doesnt have anything to do with trans control, but thats one of the things i will probably hook up and install just because its simple to do, i know it will be reading boost instead of vacuum, but i know a few boosted gas guys that dont have any issues with that part of the mess

depending on how many codes this thing throughs with the minimum sensors hooked up, i may install some dummy sensors and/or resistors to keep the CEL off, but if its not feaseable, i'll just pop the dash apart and disable the bulb
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Nice project! Gotta keep us updated...
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Nice project! Gotta keep us updated...
will do! hopefully pulling the 360 and 46 out this weekend (weather permitting) and with any luck, will have the 4bt and 47 mocked up in the truck, from the looks of it, the 47 should bolt in with out any cross member or drive line mods, but we all know how that goes... then got to figure out the engine mounts, im going to use some 2nd gen 6bt engine mounts as to not modify the frame, just have to come up with some sort of an adapter plate to bolt them up to the engine
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I would think that would be enough for the PCM to run the trans..... Maybe MAP sensor as well.... (which would make your life really interesting.....)
thanks for the info so far HeyYou, hope i can get some more from you

i read through the schmatics and every thing required for the trans control is VSS, coolant temp, engine speed, and TPS...

now for the part i dont fully understand yet... with all the wires going to this thing, the only things being controled are obviously the OD and TC lockup, as well as the "variable vorce solinoid"

with that being said, what is actually controling the shift points? is it the pressure of the VFS? or is it done in the valve body its self or combo of both?

im starting to get a little excited here thinking that this may work quite simple, with the connections of these sensors and an adjustable TPS it just might work?
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Instead of the mechanical governor, the "E" series transmissions use a governor pressure sensor, and solenoid. (the "variable force solenoid", I assume. ) So the PCM controls fluid pressure via the governor solenoid. The pressure sensor also does fluid temp. (the pcm knows what it is, but, so far, I have seen none of the aftermarket devices, aside from "real" scanners, will tell you what it is. )

This may be easier than I thought. Sure that wouldn't hurt your feelings any.
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Instead of the mechanical governor, the "E" series transmissions use a governor pressure sensor, and solenoid. (the "variable force solenoid", I assume. ) So the PCM controls fluid pressure via the governor solenoid. The pressure sensor also does fluid temp. (the pcm knows what it is, but, so far, I have seen none of the aftermarket devices, aside from "real" scanners, will tell you what it is. )

This may be easier than I thought. Sure that wouldn't hurt your feelings any.
its definatly making me feel a little better

next tech question, my research says the 360 crank sensor is located on the bellhousing.... what is it actually reading? notches in the flex plate? or the starter ring? i need some good news here too
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Notches in the flexplate.
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Notches in the flexplate.
great news!.... now... how many?
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well... some ebay research shows what looks like 8 slots in the flex plate.... this could be a small issue but not too bad, the cummins dampner/crank sensor only has 2 notches... worst case i will chuck the dampner in the mill and make it an 8 slot, but on a side note, when i did the v-10 - cummins conversion, the v-10 computer read and displayed the correct rpm on the dash with the cummins setup (tho i have no idea how the v-10 did its crank signal) so there is still a chance it may work as is...

there is no such thing as a camshaft position sensor on the 360 gas engine correct?






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There's crank and camshaft, I think one of those is referred to a pickup coil though...
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There's crank and camshaft, I think one of those is referred to a pickup coil though...
ok thats good to know, where is the cam sensor located and what is it using for a pickup?
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Stolen from merc225hp:

"SWITCH, Distributor Pick-Up 56028143 that is a Mopar part number"

Believe that little bastard hides under the dizzy cap.
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Yep, cam position sensor is under the distributor cap. Just a hall effect switch, changes state (on/off) once per crankshaft revolution.
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