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4.88's for 9.25" / D44 and Where to Buy + Crush Sleeve Eliminator?

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First off, I realize there are a few threads on this subject but none are very informative. Also, for the record I am not interested in swapping to 3/4 ton axles.

I'm running 35" tires with 3.55 gears and I'm getting a bit tired of it. I understand that a 4.56 ratio will put me closest to stock, however I am considering going to 4.88 to rev a tad higher on the highway for better towing capability, better acceleration, and to have provisions for 37" tires in the future.

To my understanding, I need to purchase a standard rotation "thick" 4.88 gearset for both the 9.25 and D44 to retain my stock carriers. I have read that grinding a tooth down on the 9.25 is required to insert the cross pin, or a notched cross pin is required. Is this the case for the D44 as well with a thick gearset? If someone who has installed a 4.56 / 4.88 gearset can confirm the above that'd be awesome.

I'm also wondering where you guys have purchased your 4.88's. Doing a google search brings up very few hits; it looks like Nitro and G2 are the only ones that offer 4.88 gears for the 9.25 and they are twice the price ($300+) of 4.56's. It appears that Yukon used to make a set but now no longer do.

I've looked briefly at crush sleeve eliminator kits by Yukon or Ratech as setting proper pinion preload with the 9.25 sounds like a crapshoot from what I've been reading on Pirate. Anyone have experience with these?

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Correct on the standard thick.

No idea about the grinding.

I tried to look from my end on the r/p set for ya. I called West Coast Differential here and they offer it for 9.25 axle however, on backorder to October....!!! $367.33 for the set and $160 for the master install kit.


I confirm that Nitro makes them and found here, however should call if in stock...

http://www.justdifferentials.com/C9-....25-488-ng.htm


Crush Sleeve Eliminator

http://www.ringpinion.com/b2c/Produc..._Gear_and_Axle

Amazon.com: Yukon (SK CSGM8.5) Crush Sleeve Eliminator Kit for GM 8.5"/Chrysler 9.25" Differential: Automotive Amazon.com: Yukon (SK CSGM8.5) Crush Sleeve Eliminator Kit for GM 8.5"/Chrysler 9.25" Differential: Automotive



http://www.d o d g e t a l k.com/for...?t-334372.html <--take out spaces



Perhaps call a bunch of shops with hope they have the r/p sitting collecting dust. Seems like they are going the way of the dodo...if true would be crappy for replacement needs.

I hope someone has way better luck searching. Even East Coast Gear Supply doesn't carry anymore...


Edit: waiit a second

http://www.4x4groupbuy.com/store/axl...n-p-68678.html
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You only need thick gears for the d44 because of the carrier split. There is no carrier split for the 9.25 rear. I have 4.56 gears with 35s on my d44/9.25. I don't believe you have to grind down any teeth. Pretty sure I didn't but its been a while. I bought mine from Summit Racing with installation kits. You can also buy them at Randy's Ring and Pinion.
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Need thick cut gears for the D44, but, I think the 9.25 carrier is universal. (I think.)

No need to notch gear for front axle. There are no retainers on the front diff, so, don't even need to pull the cross pin.

4.88's and 35's will be a NICE combination. Your trans will love you for it.

4 Wheel Parts has the 4.88's for the rear. 271.00

Summit racing has front and rears as well. (and probably Jegs too....)

Don't know anything about crush sleeve eliminators....
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Need thick cut gears for the D44, but, I think the 9.25 carrier is universal. (I think.)

Summit racing has front and rears as well. (and probably Jegs too....)

Don't know anything about crush sleeve eliminators....
That's correct. Don't need thick gears for the 9.25.

I just checked summit. I can find the 4.88 thick gears for the d44 but not the gears for the rear. I should also note that front thick gears are not your only option.. You can buy a carrier for the proper carrier split and buy standard gears as well. If I was doing mine over again I would have replaced the front carrier with a locker with the right carrier split for 4.56, but I offroad so..
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Here's the Yukon 4.88s that I have
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/yga-24040/
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/yga-24017
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Appreciate the responses guys, all very helpful. Good to know there's no carrier split for the 9.25. My only concern is the cross pin, which still seems to be an issue. Check out this thread with 4.56's installed:

http://www.v i r t u a ljeepclub.com...quot-gear-swap (take out spaces)

Also, the link that whitenuckle provided has an explicit note that the gearset requires grinding of the ring gear teeth or a notched cross pin, found here:

http://www.justdifferentials.com/CHY...y9.25-xpin.htm

Any of you guys have first hand experience with this? Seems to be the only thing holding me up on the rear end. Grinding down a tooth seems like a terrible idea to me, and at this point I can only cross my fingers and hope Nitro's notched pin works as I can't seem to find anyone that has used it or ground down the original to work.
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I'm running 4.88 for last few years.
Use them on the highway and off road. RPM doesn't seem too high, even when doing 80mph.
Got them from Yukon when were making them.
#1 Chry 9.25 YES, you have to shave part of the ring tooth out to fit cross pin.
#2 Chry 9.25 do not need carrier. Carrier will hold everything up to 4.88 which is max what this axle ever had.
#3 Dana 44. Can use stock carrier. However you need thick gear.
#4 Dana 44. Need to shave corner of ring tooth as well.
When you shave/cut (remove) part of the ring gear tooth to fit cross pin, it does not interfere with tooth bearing surface/pattern. This is a common practice and does not adversely affect bearing of the axle.
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I've looked briefly at crush sleeve eliminator kits by Yukon or Ratech as setting proper pinion preload with the 9.25 sounds like a crapshoot from what I've been reading on Pirate. Anyone have experience with these?

Any info is appreciated!
I put a Ratech solid spacer in my 9.25. Pinion preload is set with shims. Piece of cake really, and you don't have to deal with that crush sleeve. Only thing I've heard about anyone having any problems with is that every once in a while you can get a combination of shims where one shim isn't quite enough, and the next thickness is too much. The solution is to hone the solid spacer down .001" on a piece of wet-dry sandpaper. It happens, but isn't common. I had no problems with mine.
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I'm running 4.88 for last few years.
Use them on the highway and off road. RPM doesn't seem too high, even when doing 80mph.
Got them from Yukon when were making them.
#1 Chry 9.25 YES, you have to shave part of the ring tooth out to fit cross pin.
#2 Chry 9.25 do not need carrier. Carrier will hold everything up to 4.88 which is max what this axle ever had.
#3 Dana 44. Can use stock carrier. However you need thick gear.
#4 Dana 44. Need to shave corner of ring tooth as well.
When you shave/cut (remove) part of the ring gear tooth to fit cross pin, it does not interfere with tooth bearing surface/pattern. This is a common practice and does not adversely affect bearing of the axle.
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Cool, thanks for the PN's and confirmation on the shaving. Do you happen to know if tooth shaving is required if a 3.92 and up carrier is purchased for the D44 and a regular (non-thick) set of gears is used? I'd much rather spend a bit extra and avoid shaving altogether if that's the case.

Also, just curious as to how you find the performance with the 4.88's around town and on the highway.

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I put a Ratech solid spacer in my 9.25. Pinion preload is set with shims. Piece of cake really, and you don't have to deal with that crush sleeve. Only thing I've heard about anyone having any problems with is that every once in a while you can get a combination of shims where one shim isn't quite enough, and the next thickness is too much. The solution is to hone the solid spacer down .001" on a piece of wet-dry sandpaper. It happens, but isn't common. I had no problems with mine.
Awesome, thanks. I think I'll pick up the kit whether or not I use it as it's only $22.
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That is correct. If you get new carrier and use non thick gear, you do NOT need to shave any metal.
As far as driving goes. My truck is not my daily drive. I use it on the weekends and to go camping.
On the street you get a lot more pick-up-and-go. It does not take "forever" to keep up with fast flowing traffic. On the highway I can drive 75-80mph @ 2600rpm. Definitely 35" tire is minimum with this gear. I'm eventually will try larger tire, but need some time to tear through this set.
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That is correct. If you get new carrier and use non thick gear, you do NOT need to shave any metal.
As far as driving goes. My truck is not my daily drive. I use it on the weekends and to go camping.
On the street you get a lot more pick-up-and-go. It does not take "forever" to keep up with fast flowing traffic. On the highway I can drive 75-80mph @ 2600rpm. Definitely 35" tire is minimum with this gear. I'm eventually will try larger tire, but need some time to tear through this set.
Thanks for that. Not sure why I didn't initially, but I calculated what ratio brings me back to stock and that would be 3.95. I was under the impression purely from reading forums that 4.56 would get me back to stock, so I had it in my head that 4.88 was the gear I wanted. Not the smartest idea... 4.88's will rev far higher than I'd like or need so I'm going 4.56 instead.

I could go 4.10 to get very close to stock, but I want a better hole shot and I'm happy with the RPM's that 4.56 put me at on the highway (I drive like an old man anyway). Not to mention 4.56 gears are way more plentiful and cheaper than 4.88's.

I'll also be going with notched cross pins front and rear. I realize the strength is a bit compromised however I am really opposed to grinding down a ring gear tooth despite how "common" it is. The truck is mostly a street queen / toy hauler so I'm never doing anything crazy with it.

I'll be ordering the parts in a few weeks and fabbing a case spreader for the D44, so I'll probably post up some pics in a month or 2 when I get around to it
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I'm doing the exact same thing as you man. But I'm putting a Detroit TruTrac in the rear too when I make the shop do my gears.


But after you figure everything you need out, you should post links to everything you need here to do the install in Dana 44/9.25 axles. I'm also not switching axles.
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I'm doing the exact same thing as you man. But I'm putting a Detroit TruTrac in the rear too when I make the shop do my gears.


But after you figure everything you need out, you should post links to everything you need here to do the install in Dana 44/9.25 axles. I'm also not switching axles.
I'm trying to keep this as budget as possible so I will be sticking with the factory trac-lock LSD. I have receipts for a whole new carrier being put in the truck a number of years ago by the previous owner, so it *should* be pretty fresh still. Can't wait to see what was inevitably f'd up by the "mechanic" during the install though...it howls pretty badly...

But so far my shopping list is as follows:

Chrysler 9.25":

-USA Standard Ring & Pinion Part # ZGC925456; 4.56 ratio (Rock Auto) - $178.17
-Motive Gear R925RMK Master Install Kit w/ Koyo Bearings (Summit) - $89.97


Dana 44:

-USA Standard Ring & Pinion Part # ZGD44456T "Thick" Gear Set; 4.56 ratio (Rock Auto) - $136.51
-Ratech 122K Minor Install Kit (Summit) - $44.97


Grand total $467 shipped (CDN). I think that's pretty damn good for a gear swap. Threw in a couple axle seals on blowout at rock auto just in case. I also have decided I'll just use the crush sleeve instead of the eliminator kit. Just doing a minor install on the front as the truck has low miles, bearings should be fine, and nobody has dicked with it yet. Also found they don't make notched cross pins for the trac-lock carrier or the D44. Only notched cross pin available is for an open diff, which has 0.010" smaller diameter than the trac-lock does. Guess i'll bite the bullet and grind the teeth. Will probably order everything tomorrow

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When I did my gear swap to 4.56 it cost me roughly $1350 CDN but that was with a d44 trutrac limited slip carrier, 4.56 gears, installation kits and shipping. Shipping alone was almost $300. I did all the work myself so what I paid for the limited slip I would've had to pay a shop.

Since you mentioned it, I recommend changing axle seals while doing a gear swap. Highly recommended...
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When I did my gear swap to 4.56 it cost me roughly $1350 CDN but that was with a d44 trutrac limited slip carrier, 4.56 gears, installation kits and shipping. Shipping alone was almost $300. I did all the work myself so what I paid for the limited slip I would've had to pay a shop.

Since you mentioned it, I recommend changing axle seals while doing a gear swap. Highly recommended...
Beauty of being semi-close to the border means I can make a jaunt across and avoid paying import charges and all that BS. I looked into doing axle seals on the D44 and it looks like a PITA to do the outers. I'll probably leave them and be extra gingerly taking out and replacing the axles since they aren't leaking.

BTW, I thought you said your truck came with 4.56's when you bought it?
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Beauty of being semi-close to the border means I can make a jaunt across and avoid paying import charges and all that BS. I looked into doing axle seals on the D44 and it looks like a PITA to do the outers. I'll probably leave them and be extra gingerly taking out and replacing the axles since they aren't leaking.

BTW, I thought you said your truck came with 4.56's when you bought it?
If you are going to have the front all apart anyway, there will be no better time to install new seals.......
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Beauty of being semi-close to the border means I can make a jaunt across and avoid paying import charges and all that BS. I looked into doing axle seals on the D44 and it looks like a PITA to do the outers. I'll probably leave them and be extra gingerly taking out and replacing the axles since they aren't leaking.

BTW, I thought you said your truck came with 4.56's when you bought it?
Yeah that would be handy. I buy most of my mods from summit if I can. With smaller, lighter and cheaper objects the shipping is usually like $50. Haven't found a place in Canada yet that can match the price of summit, even with shipping costs. I highly recommend doing the front axle seals during a gear swap. To go back and do it you have to remove the carrier again. Trust me, mines leaking...

Don't think I said that but if I did it was a mistake. Truck came with 3.55 gears. Wasn't tooooo bad with 33s. It was manageable. But the second I went with 35s and heavier deep dish rims, I wasn't able to stay in OD on a straight stretch...
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Yeah that would be handy. I buy most of my mods from summit if I can. With smaller, lighter and cheaper objects the shipping is usually like $50. Haven't found a place in Canada yet that can match the price of summit, even with shipping costs. I highly recommend doing the front axle seals during a gear swap. To go back and do it you have to remove the carrier again. Trust me, mines leaking...

Don't think I said that but if I did it was a mistake. Truck came with 3.55 gears. Wasn't tooooo bad with 33s. It was manageable. But the second I went with 35s and heavier deep dish rims, I wasn't able to stay in OD on a straight stretch...
You had a thread from 2013 regarding doing 4.88's in your dad's truck that popped up when I was researching, you mentioned you'd bought yours with 4.56. No worries

Just ordered all the goods yesterday afternoon. Threw in front seals too, will probably do the drivers in the carrier but the passenger one near the CAD worries me. Apparently a rig with a 2" hole saw with the teeth cut off and a length of threaded rod will press the thing in there so we'll see. Not looking forward to doing the D44 at all
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