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Just curious how many differences there are between the Power Wagon and any 2500, and if it is economically feasible to swap componants out and build a into a Power Wagon. I ask this because it seems the Power Wagon is a lower optioned truck, and I'd kinda like some of the nicer interior options that it doesn't seem to be available with.
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Just to name a few of the important features... front and rear lockers, 4.56 gears, electronic sway bar disconnect, and warn winch behind front bumper.
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They also have a different suspension under them that sits up another few inches higher than a normal 2500. And as you can see from this video, they flex well...

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The ones I've found pics of interior all seem to be a manual transfer case, is there a particular reason for this?? Or if I were to build one from a regular 2500 that had an electronic t-case, would that be fine?? It should have the extra opening in the dash (that I believe is used for the air bag switch in regular cabs) for both switches: e-lockers and 4x4...or is there somethign that the electronic t-case isn't rugged enough...not that that would be a deal break for me cuz as mentioned in another recent thread, I am building a mud toy, so I wouldn't be beating the **** out of this possible Power Wagon conversion.

Also, there probably isn't a way to make my current 1500 an SFA and a lot like a Power Wagon, or is there? I understand the suspension components aren't as HD, but again, I won't be pounding on it, I just like the general idea of a Power Wagon...I'm not big on the winch, easy enough to add an external. But the e-lockers have my attention...also, what is the advantage for the electronic sway bar?
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And its situations like these when the front and rear lockers really shine...


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The ones I've found pics of interior all seem to be a manual transfer case, is there a particular reason for this?? Or if I were to build one from a regular 2500 that had an electronic t-case, would that be fine?? It should have the extra opening in the dash (that I believe is used for the air bag switch in regular cabs) for both switches: e-lockers and 4x4...or is there somethign that the electronic t-case isn't rugged enough...not that that would be a deal break for me cuz as mentioned in another recent thread, I am building a mud toy, so I wouldn't be beating the **** out of this possible Power Wagon conversion.

Also, there probably isn't a way to make my current 1500 an SFA and a lot like a Power Wagon, or is there? I understand the suspension components aren't as HD, but again, I won't be pounding on it, I just like the general idea of a Power Wagon...I'm not big on the winch, easy enough to add an external. But the e-lockers have my attention...also, what is the advantage for the electronic sway bar?


Power wagons only came with a manual t-case. Its the same case, just shifts manually (like my truck, although I dont have a power wagon).

Sure, you can swap a front axle under your truck, add lockers and custom suspension that flexes well and be good to go. But you will most likely be money ahead to sell your truck and start with a 2500.

The electronic sway bar option allows it to become completely disconencted, which allows the front axle to flex WAY better than with it connected.
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Power wagons only came with a manual t-case. Its the same case, just shifts manually (like my truck, although I dont have a power wagon).

Sure, you can swap a front axle under your truck, add lockers and custom suspension that flexes well and be good to go. But you will most likely be money ahead to sell your truck and start with a 2500.

The electronic sway bar option allows it to become completely disconencted, which allows the front axle to flex WAY better than with it connected.
Yeah, as usualy cheaper to start with the right vehicle, and even cheaper yet to buy the vehicle you want. I don't really want to sell and buy 2500 only because I've owned this since new, know the maintenance, know the truck, etc. My first brand new vehicle, blah blah blah. I should have just taken more time to buy it, but I was in a bind...Tranny in Intrepid was going out (again) was tired of rebuilding it, I was in college 200 miles from home and needed daddy's cosignature, so I kinda had to jump so I wasn't stranded in the Intrepid so far from many people I know, and before my dad thought more and more about cosigning.

Although had I known about the Power Wagon option I prolly would have looked harder and longer. I kinda wanted a 2500 anyway, but since I had a lot of traveling each week back and forth from school and home, and going to have to travel for my internship, I wanted the ride of a 1500. I guess though I never drove a 2500, just assumed it'd be stiffer. Then even after that I didn't get the truck I wanted cuz there was a $10,000 discrepency. The truck sitting next to mine at the dealer is what I wanted, but that was almost sticker price, this truck had 400 miles, so they gave it to me at invoice price and the only difference was color and a couple high end options, one being the Infinity sound, but for 10K, I settled...for 10K I can buy paint (a freind is a painter) and some after market Infinity speakers, and now I think a rear sliding window, but that hasn't seemed to be much inconvenience.

So yeah, I had plenty of reasons for not getting the exact truck I wanted, but am now regretting it somewhat. It's been a VERY nice truck and really good to me, but the grass is always greener on the other side, now I want more.

Wow, just realized I was really rambling off topic, sorry. Although it'd be less expensive (most likely) to start with a 2500, I could still slowly piece together my truck to be much like the Wagon, and in piecing together I prolly wouldn't notice the cost difference. Start with the axle, then later gear/dif swaps (I want 4.56 gears anyway even if I don't fully go through with the PW), then work on the suspension at a later time...if I wanted, I'd prolly be happy just having the e lockers, who knows...thoughts, am I being retarded even considering this?
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Instead of e lockers you could always do air lockers..
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Instead of e lockers you could always do air lockers..
And the difference is?? Are they a lot cheaper or something, what all would be needed? Wouldn't I need some sort of compressor or something?

Sorry, don't know much about 4x4, this is my first in a truck, only others were quads, so no similarities as far as components
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E-lockers are controlled by electricity, while air lockers are controlled by air (small compressor needed). Both are outrageously expensive.

As far as slowly piecing it together, well, I guess you could. But, swapping in a solid axle will require a completely different front suspension, so you might as well get the part done at the same time. And while the axle is already out, why not do the gears and lockers at that point in time. Get what I'm saying?
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What you could do is find a set of axles (3/4 ton or 1 tons recommended), and build them as you get the money. Then, start buying material for suspension links and such, and maybe get everything figured out (measurement wise) and start building the links. Then, once you have those main components, start the tear down and rebuild.

I would also recommend snagging a tranny from a 3/4 ton as well.

Did I mention starting with a 2500 would be cheaper and more efficient?
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Did I mention starting with a 2500 would be cheaper and more efficient?
Yup, sure did. I pretty much knew that from the get go as well, but trying to improvise. If I bought another truck the ol' lady would be mad cuz she wants a new car, and she has this misconception that I always get the new stuff. So if I used this truck, I am just accessorising, not buying another vehicle (in her eyes). Also, I am wondering now if I can just get elockers for my IFS axle. Don't have time to look now, gotta go to work to make this money I want to spend. Not asking anyone to do my research for me, but does anyone know off hand if such a thing exisits?
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Nobopdy makes a locker for the front of your truck. Plus, big tires and a locker would be a recipe for a disaster with your IFS.
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For the money (and convenience)...a Power Wagon can not be matched!
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How much different is the frame between the 1500 and 2500? A friend of mine is an engineer at the Warren plant where the trucks are built and he says the 4th gen the frames are the same, they just have different suspension components...So if I were to put the Power Wagon front end and rear end on my truck, would it essentially be a 2500, or is the frame totally different on the 3rd gen?
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I would never buy a power wagon, aftermarket can build a better truck in a 1500 ram, The weaklist link in all 2500 Rams are the non service u joints that fail in a CTD and hemi 2500 Rams, For waht it is the power wagon is a utility 4wd built for the off road, for a every day driver the 456 gears and automtic are going to burry a owner in flue expenses, I used to have the opion solid axle trucks were the only way to go, but Dodge built axles don't inspire me.

285 70 17 is the standard tire size on the PW, My hemi 6 speed is awsome off road were space allows, I don't go rock crawling, but have gone places bury 1500 pickups.

I would prefer a jeep for hard core off road use over a power wagon, Jeep should throw in a hemi in a wrangler!!!
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How much different is the frame between the 1500 and 2500? A friend of mine is an engineer at the Warren plant where the trucks are built and he says the 4th gen the frames are the same, they just have different suspension components...So if I were to put the Power Wagon front end and rear end on my truck, would it essentially be a 2500, or is the frame totally different on the 3rd gen?

You do know there is 3rd gen power wagons, right?

The half ton frames are different than the 3/4 ton and 1 tons. I dont know anything about the 4th gens.

You can swap the axles under your truck, but as I stated before, you will still have a weeker trans and t-case.
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I would never buy a power wagon, aftermarket can build a better truck in a 1500 ram, The weaklist link in all 2500 Rams are the non service u joints that fail in a CTD and hemi 2500 Rams, For waht it is the power wagon is a utility 4wd built for the off road, for a every day driver the 456 gears and automtic are going to burry a owner in flue expenses, I used to have the opion solid axle trucks were the only way to go, but Dodge built axles don't inspire me.

285 70 17 is the standard tire size on the PW, My hemi 6 speed is awsome off road were space allows, I don't go rock crawling, but have gone places bury 1500 pickups.

I would prefer a jeep for hard core off road use over a power wagon, Jeep should throw in a hemi in a wrangler!!!
Make a half ton better than a power wagon? What do you consider better? By the time you upgrade everything to make it as stout as a power wagon (at least front and rear axles, trans, t-case), you could have simply bought a power wagon.

Of course, a stock Jeep will outwheel a well built fullsize anyday. But whats the point in that?
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You do know there is 3rd gen power wagons, right?

The half ton frames are different than the 3/4 ton and 1 tons. I dont know anything about the 4th gens.

You can swap the axles under your truck, but as I stated before, you will still have a weeker trans and t-case.
I do know as of recently, but it wasn't until I saw the option on the 4th gen that I decided to google power wagon out of curiousity cuz I recalled an early 90's Power Wagon, and I recalled read an article some time ago about how OLD power wagons had basically a front hub wheel bearing between the front and rear of the frame for the "suspension travel"...so I wanted to know the history of the power wagon and found that they made them from 05-08 as well...which sucks cuz I def woulda wanted to buy one instead of my truck that I bought.

Swapping the axles under my truck, would that be relatively easy, aside from the suspension parts...I guess what I mean is, is there fabrication required? Not that I'm afraid to fab, just not sure I want to on this new of truck. As to weaker trans and t-case, I have the 150,000 powertrain warranty Other than that, like I said previously, this truck I wouldn't pound on cuz I am slowly building an all out off-road toy...so do you think the weaker trans and t-case would be a HUGE deal?? If nothing else if I do end up blowing either out, and warranty ends up not covering it, I could just replace with the 3/4 ton parts at that time, correct? I mean either that, or I'll have the 1/2 ton parts laying around still good, but not much good for anything to me.

I think this may be quite a fun project and a good learning experience so I have the ideas and what not when I get to the point to replicate the principle onto the 86 mudder...provided it will be slightly easy as in minimal to no fabrication.

If I were to find a basic 3/4 ton wreck or something for the axles and what not, are the internals reasonably available for the elockers in a Power Wagon? Or would it be worth the wait to find the parts from an actual power wagon??
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Swapping the axles under my truck, would that be relatively easy, aside from the suspension parts...I guess what I mean is, is there fabrication required? Not that I'm afraid to fab, just not sure I want to on this new of truck. As to weaker trans and t-case, I have the 150,000 powertrain warranty Other than that, like I said previously, this truck I wouldn't pound on cuz I am slowly building an all out off-road toy...so do you think the weaker trans and t-case would be a HUGE deal?? If nothing else if I do end up blowing either out, and warranty ends up not covering it, I could just replace with the 3/4 ton parts at that time, correct? I mean either that, or I'll have the 1/2 ton parts laying around still good, but not much good for anything to me.

I think this may be quite a fun project and a good learning experience so I have the ideas and what not when I get to the point to replicate the principle onto the 86 mudder...provided it will be slightly easy as in minimal to no fabrication.

If I were to find a basic 3/4 ton wreck or something for the axles and what not, are the internals reasonably available for the elockers in a Power Wagon? Or would it be worth the wait to find the parts from an actual power wagon??

There will be a fair amount of fabricating to sling the front axle under your truck. Since it will all be custom, I would recommmend coils (or coil-overs) and links vs leaf springs... either way fabrication is required. The rear will be nearly a bolt in afair.

You can ony do the axles and use your stock drivetrain, as that would save you a lot of work. It all depends on how hard you are going to beat the thing. Warranty? Hahahahahahaahahah. You better have some really good buddy's high up at the dealer.

As far as the e-lockers go, to be completely honest with you I am not sure you can purchase the exact units as the power wagons come with. I always hear about how the jeep crowd can buy Rubicon axles for the jeep straight from mopar (which is set up like the power wagons, only smaller dana 44's), but I cant ever find power wagin axles (or the internals). But again, you dont NEED elockers for a mudder. Spools or lockers will work fine.
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