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Old 01-02-2008, 09:46 PM
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Default 07 hemi engine oil capacity not 7 qts???

OK, so here's how the story goes.I had a coupon for a free oil change at the dealer where I bought the truck, so I took it in for the first oil change on Monday. I go the truck back and checked the oil level before I left the dealership...it was about 1 qt over serviced. I talked to the service advisor and he agreed that this was not correct, so he took it back to the tech. 15 minutes later they bring my truck back and say it's good to go. I asked how much they had to take out and he replied "none, I put 7 qts in and that's what the book calls for". So the service advisor says to me that I should drive it for a couple of days and see what it does...WTF. I took it back again today and talked to the service manager and he had them change the oil again because the receipt they gave me also said that they put 5w-30 in it. So 20 minutes later they bring the truck back again and say it all ready, so I check the oil and it's over serviced again by at least 1/2" in the dip stick. End of the story I made them deservice it to the correct level on the dip stick which would put the capacity at about 6 1/4 qts. So, here's my question...should I run it with 7 qts and be over serviced on the dip stick or keep it withinthe correct range on the stick? Has anybody else ran into this problem?

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Old 01-02-2008, 11:11 PM
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Default RE: 07 hemi engine oil capacity not 7 qts???

well I would rather have a little too much oil than too little. But you got to remember oil does burn off and down the road you might be putting an extra quart in.
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Old 01-02-2008, 11:12 PM
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Default RE: 07 hemi engine oil capacity not 7 qts???

We do hemi oil changes all day long at my dealership, we use7 quarts and never have a problem. If they use bulk oil the oil drops may be putting out too much oil when they set it to 7 quarts.
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Old 01-02-2008, 11:44 PM
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Default RE: 07 hemi engine oil capacity not 7 qts???

i would think the mark on the dip stick is where you would want the oil to sit after the motor has sat for about 2 min sounds like they are overfilling it to me . I would have asked for it to be drained out and put to the correct level !!
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Old 01-03-2008, 01:13 AM
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I always thought that running an engine over filledwas worse than running a little low. Anyway that is crazy that the tech told you to drive it like that and lets see in a couple days.
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Mine was over full on the lot, but they fixed it before I picked the truck up. Since then I've had Firestone do my oil changes, b/c the manager is a close personalfriend, and he does the work on my truck personally, not to mention their service receipts are second to none. They have filled it to the correct level on all 3 changes. Personally I wouldn't run my truck with too much oil. I'm no expert by any means, but they're has to be a reason dodge (and all other manufacturers) put a FULL mark on the dipstick.
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Old 01-03-2008, 01:30 AM
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Default RE: 07 hemi engine oil capacity not 7 qts???

remember also that that extra oil could put undue strain and pressure on seals and gaskets causing them to leak.
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Old 01-03-2008, 07:34 AM
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Thanks for the responses. From what I understand overserviced oil could cause extreme oil pressure and foaming. I'm going to keep it in the range on the dip stick, butI wonder if there is any chance that my truck has the wrong dip stick.
Has anybody changed their oil/fliter and used less than 7 qts?

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Old 01-03-2008, 07:53 AM
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Doesn't the 7 qt INCLUDE what goes in the filter? So if the tech pre-filled the filter and then dropped 7 QT in it it would be over. If the guy goes it the same way every time out of habit then it will be over the second time.

Manual says it takes 7 - I'd have to go w/ that and just assume the monkey doing lube is just that a monkey.

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remember also that that extra oil could put undue strain and pressure on seals and gaskets causing them to leak.
Can you say job security?

My oil changes through the dealer are always close to the full mark. Red
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Default RE: 07 hemi engine oil capacity not 7 qts???

I just changed my oil, and it definitely took every drop of 7 quarts, but as frogger said, that does include what goes into the filter.
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Following is out of an 2007 service manual...Hope it helps....





ENGINE OIL WITH FILTER

3.7L
4.7L (5.0 Quarts)

4.7L
5.6L (6.0 Quarts)

5.7L
6.6L (7.0 Quarts)

5.9L/6.7L Diesel Engines
11.4L (12.0 Quarts.)

For 3.7L/4.7L engines SAE 5W-20 engine oil is recommended for all operating temperatures. For 5.7L engines SAE 5W-20 engine oil is recommended for all operating temperatures.These engine oils improve low temperature starting and vehicle fuel economy. Refer to your engine oil filler cap for the recommended engine oil viscosity for your vehicle. Vehicles with 5.7L engines equipped with Multiple Displacement System (MDS) must use SAE 5W-20 oil. Failure to do so may result in improper operation of the Multiple Displacement System (MDS). Refer to Multi Displacement System under Starting and Operating for details. Refer to the engine oil filler cap for the recommened engine oil viscosity for each vehicle.
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Old 01-03-2008, 10:45 AM
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We do hemi oil changes all day long at my dealership, we use7 quarts and never have a problem. If they use bulk oil the oil drops may be putting out too much oil when they set it to 7 quarts.
I would say that is your answer
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Default RE: 07 hemi engine oil capacity not 7 qts???

I agree with moparman also. I think the oil system the dealer used for the bulk oil isn't reading right. I'd definately bring it up to the service manger. I changed my oil and filtera month ago and it took all 7 quarts and it was just below the full hot mark on the dipstick.
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Old 01-03-2008, 06:18 PM
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I've done my oil change on my 04 ram and needed 7 quarts to be at the highest level on the dip stick, on my 08 with a K&N oil filter and 5w30 synthetic oil, I need 7.5 quarts to be at the top mark, at 7 qts, I'm just a wee bit over half the safe zone.
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Default RE: 07 hemi engine oil capacity not 7 qts???

The issue has to be the dip stick markings or the tube length. The engine was designed to take 7 quarts. The is only one oil pan, so that is not an issue. Since I'm getting old, haveto take the old oil to the recycling centerand my local service station (yea, a gas station that still does mechanical work) gives me a geat price on an Amsoil oil change, it gets done there. After filling with 7 quarts out of the bottle, it measured up at the fill line when warm. They suggested that an additional 1/2 a quart would be ok. That is incorrect. Over filling is a warning in every maintence manual I have ever read. With mass produced engines, the tube could have been inserted incorrectly and in your case maybe to deep. The dip stick cap could be off a half an inch giving the false reading.

From my NHRA days I know that a lower oil level increases horesepower and lowers elasped time. One the street, running a halfa quart low has been a trick to increasegas mileage sice the 70's. However, that means that you have to check the oil level more frequently, just like the olden days.

TwoZs, if you feel confortable with the 6 1/4 quarts, you will not do any harm, just check your oil level frequently, keeping it topped off if required.

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Default RE: 07 hemi engine oil capacity not 7 qts???

on mine if u put in 7 and ck right after u shut off it will show low, after it sits a while it will be right on the mark.
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Mine fits 7 also...I just buy the 5 qt jug and 2 seperate quarts of penz platinumat wal-mart. Sometimes i'll get mobil-1 but a guy from my other forum has sent a virgin sample of both to Blackstone labs...penz platinum has better add packs according to blackstone.
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Default RE: 07 hemi engine oil capacity not 7 qts???

Next time, do your own oil change and find out where everything is sitting. Just a though, but maybe the dipstick was installed incorrectly and this is why it it is reading wrong. Don;t know if that can actually happen, but never know.
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Thanks for all the inputs and ideas. I certainly don’t have any confidence in this dealership…I’ll try talking to another one and see what they have to say about. I just don’t want to take a chance on damaging the engine by running it too low or high. I’ll let you know what I find out. I’m not sure if you can insert the tube too far since it has a mount bracket welded to the tube and secured to the engine. Does anyone have the length of the dip stick and tube? Here are mine: tube is 10 1/8” from the top of the mounting bracket to the top of the tube and dip stick is 38 7/16” from the tip to the bottom of the handle seat.

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