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06' Hemi has no fuel filter?

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Old 01-06-2009, 04:07 PM
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That is what my dealer says. That cannot be right.

I have NEVER heard of a vehicle with no fuel filter. They claim it's in the tank it never needs to be changed. I know fuel pumps in tanks have a sort of screen, but that only stops the large stuff. There is always a small micron filter in line. I normally do work on my truck myself but with the weather and my schedule, i had the truck in for some warranty work and asked about changing it and they claim, there is none. Please, somebody out there has to be able to back up that the dealer is an idiot.

I am going to check the manual when i pick up the truck, but i figured maybe somebody would know.
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Old 01-06-2009, 04:42 PM
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Chrysler designed my old jeep the same way, the filter was not so much in the tank but sitting right on top of it, on the fuel pump. And because it's such a pain in the --- to get to for most people, they recommend replacing the pump as well if the filter needs to be changed.
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Old 01-06-2009, 05:02 PM
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Yeah i was going to change my fuel filter as well and I asked a friend who is a mechanic at the local dodge dealer and he told me that the fuel filter is part of the fuel pump and in order to change the fuel filter you have to change the whole fuel pump. i think that is a really stupid idea. $10 to change a regular fuel filter and $300 to change the fuel filter on a dodge lol.
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Old 01-06-2009, 05:45 PM
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Love how the owners manual say to Change filter..but no other referance
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Love how the owners manual say to Change filter..but no other referance


Yeah. I looked it up as well and it says you may need to change it, but makes no mention of where it is or even if there is an interval to do it.

I cannot think of any rational reason as to why the engineers at Chrysler would stop installing a fuel filter on a vehicle? It makes absolutley no sense at all. Now, instead of 20 minutes and a $20.00 part you have to spend hundreds and labor and drop the fuel tank? This is the last Dodge i am buying.
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I cannot think of any rational reason as to why the engineers at Chrysler would stop installing a fuel filter on a vehicle? It makes absolutley no sense at all. Now, instead of 20 minutes and a $20.00 part you have to spend hundreds and labor and drop the fuel tank? This is the last Dodge i am buying.
You'll show them!...lol j/k couldn't resist

Just think of how many people out there never even change their fuel filter until they have some sort of related fuel trouble! LOTS! Probably 95%
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Ford and Gm do the same thing, we can go back to carbs and inline flue filters, Flue injection needs pressure, the best way to do this is right at the flue tank.

Less chance of outside nastys getting into the flue system and I would wager this has something to do with emissons and the computer running the go game.

My 06 is my first dodge truck, I'm sticking to the Dodge game plan !!!
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The only reason I can see for DCX to put the filter in the tank is to make money. There's a lot less people that have the knowledge and/or time to drop the tank...so off to the dealer it goes. I believe GM still has theirs in-line bolted to the inside of the frame...sometimes I wish I stayed in a chevy
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I'd put my money on production line speed as the reason, it's a lot faster to throw something together if it's modular.
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soooo..im guessing its the same for the 07's then. cuz i got about 16 thousand on mine and thought about changin mine but didnt know where it was. guess this answers my question
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111,000 on my 04, still original one. Just checked and I don't have a filter neither. Have to replace the $400 pump if I wanna switch out.
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My 00 Intrepid's filter is also part of the fuel pump and in the gas tank. I got 135,000 on it and never changed it.
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My 01 F150 was on the frame under the drivers seat.
Unless someone pours something in your tank these days, there isn't much that can get in there.
Never fuel up while a station is getting it's tanks filled is one way to avoid any sediment, but gas pumps are filtered as well so this may be a myth too.
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Anybody seen a thread where a truck stopped running because of a blocked fuel filter on a 3rd gen?

When I see that thread I'll start worrying.
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Ford and Gm do the same thing, we can go back to carbs and inline flue filters, Flue injection needs pressure, the best way to do this is right at the flue tank.

Less chance of outside nastys getting into the flue system and I would wager this has something to do with emissons and the computer running the go game.

My 06 is my first dodge truck, I'm sticking to the Dodge game plan !!!
All vehicles have screens (or "socks") in the fuel tank to catch the larger particles and keep them out of the pumps, but then there would always be another filter that filtered down to a few microns to keep anything out of the injectors. Every GM and Ford i have owned had one either under the vehicle inside the frame or in the engine compartment. Like i said, this is the first vehilce i have come across in 3+ years driving as well as working on cars that did not have a fuel filter.

I don't care what Dodge says, not having a fuel filter that is easily accessed and replaced is STUPID. Show me some sort of data that claims not having one helps things? It's really no surprise anymore that the American car industry is in the toilet. I just picked up my 06' from the dealer tonight after it had the tie rod ends replaced under warranty. 35,000 miles on a 1500 that has never been taken off road or plowed needing front end work is sad to say the least. My buddy has an 05' Turbo Diesel and he has to date spent $3,200 on fron end work.

Check out my other thread about my keyless remotes. I was told by my dealer that it's "Normal" that they only work half the time.

This is the final straw for me and Chrysler.
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This is the final straw for me and Chrysler.
A little melodramatic aren't we! Well I don't like the fact that if I want to go 160MPH I have to buy a sports car! WTF Chrysler....
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Like it has been said. When there is a thread about driveability issues due to a stopped up fuel filter I will worry about it. Until then it seems like chrysler knows what they're doing.
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first signs will be knocking when you punch it...fuel starvation

hard starting..may take a couple turns of the key to get enough primer pressure to build up first
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Like it has been said. When there is a thread about driveability issues due to a stopped up fuel filter I will worry about it. Until then it seems like chrysler knows what they're doing.
There is a FRACTION of the actual Ram owners posting on these forums. To use this forum, or even a few of the other forums as a basis for what could and does go wrong is silly. I am not going to sit around and wait and hope that every Ram owner will come on here and post every little issue they have so we can be forewarned. I towed cars for 4 years. MANY of the vehicles i towed had fuel system issues which could be traced to plugged fuel filters. I had a 98' Trans Am that had issues with the fuel system. Using a fuel pressure gauge, the issue was found to be a fuel filter almost plugged. All in all, a $24.00 repair and 10 minutes on a lift. Not going to be the same outcome with an in tank filter.

Ever drop a fuel tank in a Ram? I have. Myself and a buddy installed an Espar heater in an 04' Cummins 2500 and needed to run a dedicated fuel line from the tank. Not fun at all. Even with a lift and a trans jack. And i did it again just a few years back when a friends CTD Ram was inadvertantly filled with gasoline!. 31 GALLONS WORTH!. We had to find a container big enough to hold in all, 34 gallons of contaminated fuel. Not easy. We ended up using a garbage car to hold what we could get out via siphon. Then we had to drop the tank to get the rest out.

I alsready made a phone call this morning to an engine guru and told him of the issue. He is going to get the parts manual and devise an inline fuel filter that is easily replaced under the truck and put a simple grit screen in the tank. This person is the same guy who designed the bypass lift pump for the Turbo Diesel. Ill post info on it later when i find out what the plan is.
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NV290, your dedication to solving this heinous problem plaguing our beloved trucks is nothing short of meritorious! I think we would all personally be lost in this fight without your forward thinking. May I be the first to say "Thank you" in advance!
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