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'08 Ram 5.7 Hemi vs '08 Ram 4.7

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Old 01-23-2009, 10:27 PM
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Default '08 Ram 5.7 Hemi vs '08 Ram 4.7

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I registered on this forum tonight to ask for some help in making a decision. Hope you don't mind.

I'm considering purchasing a new '08 Dodge. The dealer here has two '08 QC 4x4 trucks - one has the 5.7L Hemi and the other has the 4.7L. Other than that they are pretty much the same truck (same color, too). They have priced them both to me at the same price ($25,300). The Hemi truck has step bars, tube rails on the bed, and a chrome bug sheild. That's about the only other difference.

I occasionally pull a trailer load of wood, but for the most part this will be a daily driver. The 4.7 is rated on the sticker to avg 13-19mpg (up to 20) and the 5.7 is rated 14-20 (up to 23) - I think I'm remembering that right... but maybe not. I do know the Hemi had a higher expected mileage rating (up to 23) on the highway.

I think I understood that the Hemi has a design that allows it to run on 4 cyls on the highway, but admittedly don't know much about this. I assume that is where the extra mileage comes from. I don't think the 4.7 has this design.

Both trucks have 3.55 gears in the rear end.

Looking for any recommendations, suggestions, things to consider, whatever. Anything you can offer would be appreciated to help me make a decision.
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Old 01-23-2009, 10:33 PM
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go with the hemi. the difference in mpg is not a big noticeable difference
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I dont know of a 5.7L HEMI getting up 23mpg stock. I have seen the 4.7 do this. If you are mostly a DD i would get the 4.7 in that yea I believe the 4.7 (310 maybe?) has increased HP and TQ though not as much as the 5.7 its not too far away.plenty of power in the newer 4.7. the 4.7 will be a cheaper price tag too.
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unless the 4.7 truck has the stick shift get the hemi.. the only benefit for the 4.7L other than that it really only has about 30 less hp is that it gives you the benefit to get a getrag 238 six speed manual. the manual tranny is bulletproof and can not be broken. while the 545rfe automatic that the hemi and 4.7 if auto are equipped with is IMO i know some think otherwise but to be real it sucks. Be glad it has a lifetime warranty because expect to replace the trans before 100k especially if you tow. other than the trans the trucks are bulletproof. but if they both auto take the extra power of the hemi. if you want a stick go with the 4.7 because the stick is more reliable and the power difference isn't that great. it's hardly anything when the 4.7 is paired to the stick seeing as the manual trans is more efficient than the automatic.
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I dont know of a 5.7L HEMI getting up 23mpg stock. I have seen the 4.7 do this. If you are mostly a DD i would get the 4.7 in that yea I believe the 4.7 (310 maybe?) has increased HP and TQ though not as much as the 5.7 its not too far away.plenty of power in the newer 4.7. the 4.7 will be a cheaper price tag too.
he said the prices were the same. y not go with the hemi then
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Both of these are SLTs, so is the price ($25,300) a reasonable price for a new 2008?
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New pricing starts Monday. Deep deep slashes in price on the 09s! You can either get into a 09 rather than a 08 and get the 08 cheaper.
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I agree. With both of them at the same price, you'd be a fool to go with the 4.7, especially with the extras the HEMI has. The mileage will not be that different - maybe 1 mpg and you'll be happy to have that HEMI. Besides, that engine is a $945 option over the 4.7L according to my sticker.
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Too bad they have the 3:55 gears.

If they are the same price I would get the Hemi no doubt! You can never have too much power.
I have a handheld tuner and have the MDS disabled. That's the 4cyl mode. I actually get better mileage.
If you think your gonna get 23mpg out of a full size 4x4 pick-up truck, your sadly mistaken.
Lots of posts about mileage. AVERAGE for the 4.7 is 16mpg or so. AVERAGE for the Hemi is 14-15mpg or so. That's mixed driving.
I am getting 16mpg mixed with my programmer with the mds disabled with a tune fro the programmer using a 91octane tune. You will regret getting a 4.7l if the 5.7L was the same price!
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that might be alittle steep of a price bc some 09's you get for a little bit more like 29k
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That price does seem a little high at this point. I paid about that same price for mine last May. I don't know what options the truck has, but mine is basically an SLT, plus towing package and popular equipment group. Now that they have been sitting on his lot for a long time and having the 09's out, I think he should be able to give you a better price.
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Both of these are SLTs, so is the price ($25,300) a reasonable price for a new 2008?

That's what i have. I had the tow package, Big Horn Package, Popular equiptment group, fogs, 20" wheels, rear slider, heated mirrors and that's it. My sticker was $37,730. I believe the price was $31,500 after rebates and incentives directly off the sticker. They showed me big money for my truck which of course was the "play" they had in the mark up. Most vehicles have a 7% mark-up for a general synopsis. Higher priced have more. That's $2500 for a $35k truck in mark-up. My truck would have been $29k even for a cash in hand deal. I purchased in March '08
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BOTH of those are 2wd. He's looking at 4wd. BIG price diff.

At this point dealer just want to get rid of any '08 left overs. They aren't trying to rape potential buyers on '08's.
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SOS, the truck you describe in your signature sounds almost like the truck I looked at today. I don't have to be in any hurry to buy, and I'd think these guys would be motivated to sell one of the last two '08s they have on their lot. So I'll just wait them out a bit longer.

I hadn't thought about how long they had been sitting there... what kind of impact would it have on a new engine to sit that long without being driven much at all?

THANKS for all the input so far!
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my bad... well heres one
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Cars-...ht_2403wt_1069
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Showing my ignorance here, but other than the fact that it would be a year newer and the new body style, what would be the advantage of a '09 over a '08?

This will be only the second new truck I've ever purchased and I plan to keep it for a long time. Trade-in or re-sale value is not that big of a consideration for me.

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09's have some different features and a smoother ride due to the coil springs in the rear. However, you cannot tow as much or handle heavy load like the '08 can. '09 has a few nice features that you may want to look into before making your '08 purchase. Also, the '09's have 390hp?? I dunno where they pulled more hp from? It's also suppose to spend more time in 4cyl mode....yuck.
I'm not sorry one bit that I bought my '08. I actually like it better than the '09. Infact, i would rather buy...I'd get shot in here for sayin this, but I'd rather buy an '09 F-150 over the '09 Ram. Sorry, but it's just a better truck for the purpose of trucks.
I bought my truck for power and looks and the fact I hate the F-150's for having cheap chrome bezels all over the place and I hated their door mirrors. The same mirrors they mounted on the '09s.
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Get the 5.7 or people will laugh at you

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Infact, i would rather buy...I'd get shot in here for sayin this, but I'd rather buy an '09 F-150 over the '09 Ram.
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SOS, the truck you describe in your signature sounds almost like the truck I looked at today. I don't have to be in any hurry to buy, and I'd think these guys would be motivated to sell one of the last two '08s they have on their lot. So I'll just wait them out a bit longer.

I hadn't thought about how long they had been sitting there... what kind of impact would it have on a new engine to sit that long without being driven much at all?

THANKS for all the input so far!
Well most dealers will move the vehicles around on their lots every once in a while, and I'm sure they have been taken out for a test drive every so often too, so they probably are not just sitting in one place for a long time. I wouldn't worry about that too much.

As for the price, remember you can negotiate. Make a lower offer. Think about what you really want to pay, and double the difference between his asking price and your ideal price. For instance, if you want to pay $24k, offer $23k so when you "meet in the middle" it is near your ideal price. That being said, my truck has some add-ons at this point - I had to buy the bug guard and the side steps, and yours includes them. If the dealer won't budge, you can try to get some more add-ons. Maybe you want a better radio? A bedliner? Some free oil changes? In negotiations, you never take the first offer they give you... They expect you to try lower so they are always a little high. I'm sure they are looking to get rid of the old models, even if they don't "seem" to be desperate (they don't want to show their weekness!)
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I compared the price that i payed for my truck vs the price they want for their truck with the differences of extras included. I actually paid $800 less for the same truck because they marked up the base price of the '09s about $800 over the '08s
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