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Old 03-25-2009, 05:06 PM
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I have 9" of lift on a 2002 Dodge Ram 1500 I would like to put a solid front axle in the front of it and get rid of all the IFS bull crap. What do I have to do in order to get this project done? Where can i get parts from? Like a refurbished axle or soemthing.

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Old 03-25-2009, 05:35 PM
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Id start at the junk yard. Pull a straight axle out of a 2500 and marry 'em up. Its just a simple matter of welding the appropriate brackets and getting it all together. the scrap yard is where you should start. New bushing and bearings and gaskets and what not would be a good idea too but you wont know what you need until you have the new (used) axle.
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I wish it were that easy. I just went through all of this. I did allot of searching and researching and in the end I found the easiest way to do a solid axle swap.

Sell The 1500 And Buy a 2500!!!

I know that is not the answer you are looking for, but honestly that is the most cost effective way there is...

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I wish it were that easy. I just went through all of this. I did allot of searching and researching and in the end I found the easiest way to do a solid axle swap.

Sell The 1500 And Buy a 2500!!!

I know that is not the answer you are looking for, but honestly that is the most cost effective way there is...
+1! unless of course you have your own fabrication and machine shop.......
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It's not hard at all, but if you don't know what you need, you probably can't handle it.

It would cost about $1k in parts.
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yeah $1k is worth it.. since you will using it for a long time..
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Check out this set up. http://dodgeforum.com/forum/members/6929-ce2flaco.html Click on "ram pics" in his sig. Also use the search fuction for more on solid axle swaps.
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Check out this set up. http://dodgeforum.com/forum/members/6929-ce2flaco.html Click on "ram pics" in his sig. Also use the search fuction for more on solid axle swaps.
That swap above cost that guy well over 6K. You should do a bit more research in the cost of a SAS. If it only cost 1K I would have done it. Its a bit more complex than just a couple of welds and a couple of bolts. One of the hardest things to consider is how are you going to steer it? You cant use your rack and pinion steering on a solid axle. You gotta put a steering box in there somewhere. It costs more than 1K to do a SAS on an older Chevy and they make kits for that swap...
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That swap above cost that guy well over 6K. You should do a bit more research in the cost of a SAS. If it only cost 1K I would have done it. Its a bit more complex than just a couple of welds and a couple of bolts. One of the hardest things to consider is how are you going to steer it? You cant use your rack and pinion steering on a solid axle. You gotta put a steering box in there somewhere. It costs more than 1K to do a SAS on an older Chevy and they make kits for that swap...
It only costs $1k for a fabricator that knows what they're doing and doesn't think you need a "kit". Hell, almost everything you need can be easily found at a junkyard.

Just because one guy spent $6k, doesn't mean that's how much they cost. I could do one that cost $10k.

It doesn't matter what vehicle you have, a SAS will almost always require the same parts. The only thing that ever can get pricey is having a driveshaft made.

Now, if you have someone else do the work, it will get pricey because of all the hours. It's not hard, just a lot to do.
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Old 03-25-2009, 10:21 PM
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OK you do it then for under 1K. You cant do it!!! I have accsess to every piece of equipment that is needed for nothing? If it was so easy to do why hasnt the after market companies come up with a kit or a way to do it? Hell Dodge Ram is a heavy hitter in the world of 4X4 and this topic has been discussed on all the forums out there including this one the big name magazines and no one makes a kit. I can buy a SAS kit for Suzuki,Toyota,Chevy, and if you dont want to buy a kit you can at least find over 100 articles explaining a DIY SAS swap for one of those vehichles. But for some reason ( maybe you can come up with one) there is no DIY for a 3rd gen 1500. Maybe because it is cost ineffective. Meaning its cheaper to buy a 2500. The frames for a 1500 and a 2500 in the front are totally different and for his install He has torsion bars which makes it evn harder. The only way of doing for 1000 bucks is to cut the truck in half and have someone give him a 2500 that was totalled from being hit in the *** and cutting it in half and weld the two together. (MAYBE) I have talked to many people on this subject I even had the engineering dept. in my company throw all of this on there CAD system to come up with a way to do it cheap and easy with no results. These are 2 totally different trucks. (in the front)...

This has been discussed at length on this forum. Why dont you use that big brain of yours and use the SEARCH button and look for yourself!!!

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http://dodgeforum.com/forum/3rd-gen-...axle-swap.html

http://dodgeforum.com/forum/3rd-gen-...axle-swap.html

http://dodgeforum.com/forum/3rd-gen-...axle-swap.html

http://dodgeforum.com/forum/3rd-gen-...06-1500-a.html

This took me under a minute to find. You should try it too!!!

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To be brutally honest, it's because people are stupid.

When people want a kit, they expect it to be incredibly easy. If it doesn't bolt together and work perfectly with no modification required, it's garbage to them. If it requires the least bit of effort, it's instantly deemed a ****ty kit. No one has developed anything because of that. The ones that know how to do it went ahead and did it without a kit. I doubt anyone has found a way to setup the steering in "kit" form. The steering would take the most fabrication, but it's far from impossible.

I'm a designer and fabricator in the drag racing industry. Full tube chassis, 4-links, and roll cages are my specialty. I'm not trying to come off as arrogant, but trust me when I say people are generally idiots and expect "kits" to magically install themselves.

And for credibility, here's my latest project: (square tubing is what the customer wanted, I personally hate the heavy archaic crap)
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It only costs $1k for a fabricator that knows what they're doing and doesn't think you need a "kit". Hell, almost everything you need can be easily found at a junkyard.

Just because one guy spent $6k, doesn't mean that's how much they cost. I could do one that cost $10k.

It doesn't matter what vehicle you have, a SAS will almost always require the same parts. The only thing that ever can get pricey is having a driveshaft made.

Now, if you have someone else do the work, it will get pricey because of all the hours. It's not hard, just a lot to do.

Then develop a kit and sell it for $1,500, I'd bet you would make a killing, Hell, ill be your first customer.
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Then develop a kit and sell it for $1,500, I'd bet you would make a killing, Hell, ill be your first customer.

Give me a donor truck haha
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Well then you do have a big brain. I used to do the custom design work to cars and trucks but now I have moved onto aircraft. Basically the same thing its just if one of my designs fail you arent stuck on the side of the road it usually means I just killed someone. As for the SAS I have looked at this from every stand point of costs, materials and the big one is TIME. It is not worth it. And if you did come up with a kit or just a cost effective DIY you would make allot of people happy...
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You gotta remember that a huge part of the time is coming up with all the tools and the custom fab that is required. Without those two it wouldn't take near as long.
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Well then you do have a big brain. I used to do the custom design work to cars and trucks but now I have moved onto aircraft. Basically the same thing its just if one of my designs fail you arent stuck on the side of the road it usually means I just killed someone. As for the SAS I have looked at this from every stand point of costs, materials and the big one is TIME. It is not worth it. And if you did come up with a kit or just a cost effective DIY you would make allot of people happy...

If I mess up, someone dies too. Quite a few of our cars go well over 200mph in the 1/4 mile. I do a lot more fab work than drafting/design.

I also think that a lot of people automatically assume it has to be coil sprung like the 2500's. Leafs would be a cake walk. Fab a mount for a junkyard steering box or a hydraulic ram, and hook it to the stock power steering pump.
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Old 03-26-2009, 03:26 PM
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WOW! This is a wonderful site. I appreciate all the help you guys give me. Everyone always looks out for each other and helps everyone through everything.

The only thing about selling my truck and getting a 2500 is I have WAY to much invested in my truck. And I am not trying to make everyone argue over a "kit" companies just don't make them. There is a lot of work put into the steering. I am really close to a guy who owns a machine shop. He called some people and got a quote around $3,500-$4,000. For the entire thing. I really want to do it because i have broke several things on the front end because bottom line. A 1500 truck is NOT made to handle wheel spacers and 38x15.50 tires thats alot of weight. I just want to know if the IFS can be sold. Is there a way I can sell it because the whole front end will have to go and i have no use for it. I have this 2002 Dodge Ram 1500 and my dad has a 2007 Dodge Ram 2500 and those are the only dodge's we own.

I just didn't know if anyone had done it before and had success or failure.

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Tell the machine shop if they make a viable kit that they can make a bunch of money on a kit. Tell them to use your truck as the guinea pig and you get to keep the prototype. You never know, but there are allot of 1500 owners out there that would suck these up...
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Well I found a front solid axle for $750, the whole front end dana 60 axle, 4:10 gears.

Lift kit costs me $1600.

Labor $1200.

Overall it will cost about $2800.

But thats before I sell my lift, and my tires for that stuff.

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Uhh, You'll also have to get 8 lug wheels too, unless you have the axles custom fabbed for 5 lugs. Then you'd have 5 lugs on the back and 8 lugs on the front. Sounds more like you need a donor truck with a good chasis, then put your body and interior on the 2500 chasis, swap out the steering gear assembly and steering column-etc.
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