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Greetings everyone. First post and I need some opinions. [sm=feedback.gif]
I need a new truck. It has to be a full size 4x4 with a manual transmission, which eliminates everything but Dodge.
My dealer says I can still order a 1500 with a manual, but after doing a little research I have become uncomfortable with the Getrag 238's that Dodge is installing in the 1500s with the 4.7L V8. After liberal use of Google and the Dodge web site, I have come across these issues that trouble me:
1. Getrag's own web sites makes no mention of the 238. I can't find the tranny's specs at all. (I'm looking for power handling capabilites here, not ratios--which I already have.)
2. Getrag manual transmissions in general don't seem to be regarded as bullet proof, or anything close to that.
3. Getrag manuals that were installed in older diesel Rams are now having parts issues, to the extent that some owners are replacing them with other brands.
4. An otherwise identical Ram 1500 (SLT, 4.7L, 3.55 RE, LWB) has a significant difference between the towing capacities for the Getrag and the auto:
Getrag 4350 lbs
Auto 6300 lbs
These seem like low ratings for a full size American pickup with a V8. Even a 2.7L 4 cylinder Tacoma with manual transmission can tow 3500 lbs -- 6500 with V6 and towing package. The 4350 rating with the Getrag gives me the greatest concern. The almost 2000 lb difference between it and the auto looks suspiciously like the result of a weak transmission, or at least the Dodge engineers have that concern.
I expect a manual transmission equipped vehicle to be nearly bullet proof over the long haul, unless severly abused, which is something I don't do. Unfortunately, my web survey of Getrag products seems to indicate their stuff is anything but.
To sum up my concerns:
Not a reliable brand
Expensive to repair
Hard brand to get parts for
Can anyone out there ease my concerns about the Getrag 238? Anyone have a Getrag 238 equipped 4.7L 1500 that you would care to comment on?
Thanks. I appreciate all input.
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1st off, the reason that the tow rating is less has nothing to do with the transmission being weaker.
One of the tests done to determine a tow rating is a start-off from a dead stop on a hill.
Even with the getrag's lower 4.23:1 first gear it's losing a lot of it's power (tourque) to heat and slippage in the first few feet.
Meanwhile the tourque converter of the automatic is mutiplying it's power at the take-off point.
This is not to say that the getrag won't move the same load, but to protect themselves from angry owners (that probably abused thier clutch) complaining about early clutch failures the manufacturers simply rate the (1/2 ton) manuals for less.
Now, in the old days, 1/2 ton trucks could be had with a 4-speed that had a creeper, or granny low 1st gear.
With a ratio of 6.** or 5.** to 1 they would have an advantage over an auto with a 1st usually of about 3.00:1
Now I used to have an 89' F-150 with a 302 and a borg-warner T-18 4-speed (6.71:1 1st gear).
Now that truck would have out-pulled any (stock) automatic equipped 1/2 ton (or twisted it's axles off trying).
I always loved working that truck and never found a load that it's tranny couldn't handle. (this included a ton of oak in the bed)[sm=smiley2.gif]
Nowadays you need to buy a 3/4 or 1-ton to get a transmission with a granny 1st gear.
Personally I would not hesitate to tow any load with a manual that it's automatic counterpart it rated for.
AS for the getrag 238, I'm in the same boat as you. If all goes well mine will be here wednesday! And then I'll know for sure!
I've tested the getrag 370 6-speed in the jeeps and I think it's a good tranny. The 238 is supposed to be in the same family.
Also, dodge is not your only choice. GMC/chevy also offer a manual in thier 1/2 ton with a 4.8L V8.
Local dealer over here has one, I like it, BUT, I like the ram better!
2005 Ram 1500 ST 4x4 RC/SB Flame Red
4.7 Magnum V8, 6-speed, 3.92 LS
i have a g238 in my ram right now its a strong tranny it has pulled a lot of stuff sense i got it in dec 08. i love it ive put about 1500 lbs in the truck and had a trailer about 3400 lbs on it at the same time and it pulled better then most of the other trucks i saw on the road that day and i havent had a problem with it breaking i have to get a clutch because it fells like mine is starting to go but i dont really have a problem finding parts either ive found a lot of the parts i need at a local auto parts store.
I went with dodge because of the option to get a hemi and 6sp manual in 06, I wanted a 1500 Ram with the hemi, but that was not a option, stepped up to a 2500 ram to get the hemi and 6speed, now fast forward to pressent time, I was going to buy a new 2010 2500 quad cab 2500 with the hemi and was falabergasted that no more 6speed manual transmissons, to be blunt, I'm not a fan of dodge automatics and the 2010 quad cab i drove with the higher h/p hemi was a pos ( automatic )
If I want a 6speed manaul, I have to buy a CTD, extra 9grand for the CTD, At pressent time, you can't get a manual transmison in any new model gas powerd truck, so Dodge is not getting my money, my 06 2500 is the last new dodge product I will buy.
Automatics have their place in the market, but not in my truck !!!
Hi im joe and i have a 2006 ram 3.7 with dah getrag 238 6sp ive pulled a motorcycle trailer wit the bed full of firewood and had no problems with the tranny, its a really good tranny bt the motor is a peace of crap does anyone know if i swap it for a hemi 5.7 is it going fit my getrag 238...?????
Joe you wont be able to mate the two but you can mate the 4.7 with the getrag and it only has about 50 hp less then the hemi. the motor will be able to handle anything you throw at it. My truck has a lift, tires and has been off-road multiple times and hasn't had problems
I'm glad to see other guys outraged that the big 3 (and the Japanese) don't offer a manual tranny in their half tons any more. I've never owned an automatic and when I went to replace my '98 F150 4.6 4x4 5speed, I was drawn to Dodge solely because they offered the manual through '08. I dread the day that I need to replace my '08 Ram with the 4.7L 6speed.
Keep shifting those gears guys!
Leveling kit, 17x8" Helo 835 Rims, 285/70 BFG AT/KOs, N-Fab steps, Tinted front windows to match rear, Plasti-Dipped emblems, DupliColor Bed Armor over the rail, added factory Cruise Controls
I get a lot of calls from my dealer wanting me to step into a new truck. Back in 06 I was not happy I had to get a 2500 to get the hemi and 6speed combo, now in 2011 no hemi 6 speed option in a 2500.
with the CTD dodge is proud to offer a class leading 6speed manual transmisson, no way in hell I'm paying the up charge for a ctd just to get a 6speed man transmisson.
cyclone, I hear you!! I get emails all the time from the dealer telling me they need a good low-mileage vehicle like mine! Right. I've tweaked mine just about how I like it, it's only got 42k miles, and it's Inferno Red which they don't offer now. Besides, I can't get the truck I want...4.7L w/manual trans so why trade??
Anybody here interested in doing a swap? I still am, but am not quite sure I'll put in the nv4500 'cuz it's got the granny first. Might get an NV3500 for under $300, and it includes the bellhousing...or a Keisler RS400 ($2000 w/bellhousing).
I was going to ask you G238 guys how the speedo gets its signal, but I suspect it's different than an NV3500 or 4500 (or Keisler RS400 for that matter).