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Old 03-27-2014, 01:27 AM
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Pretty sure the noise is coming from the driver's side front suspension somewhere. Upper control arm? Ball joints? Shocks/mounts? I don't know. Basically, it creaks like a door in a scary movie when I turn the steering wheel (power steering fluid is good and no leaks I can see), and when I hit even the slightest bump it sounds like two people having fun on an old mattress with bouncy springs. The noise is definitely coming from the suspension compression/movement. The shock is not weeping (though I do have four brand new Rancho 5000's downstairs waiting to go on), nor are any of the boots that I can tell. No unusual steering play or vibrations.

So, thoughts from just this description of a noise?
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Old 03-27-2014, 03:48 AM
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It was the lower ball joint when mine did this.
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Thanks much. I should be able to get an indication of this if I jack it up and try and wiggle the wheel, right? Also, is this a difficult DYI fix? I'll have access to a fully stocked shop with a lift.
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Old 03-27-2014, 04:07 AM
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Yeah. Good test for the lower BJ is to pry on it as you suggest.
You could also puncture the rubber boot and push in a spray tube from a wd40 can and spray a bit into it.
If like mine the BJ was not worn just dry, the squeak went away on spraying. This isolated that it was indeed the lower BJ.
You will need a ball joint press which you can hire to press out and in the new lower BJ's.
Look at this youtube video. It shows you quite well what you'll need to do.
Hope this helps bud.
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Thanks for the video. I'll check it out. I appreciate the help.
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Hey no problems bud.
When i did my lower ball joints, i placed the new ones in a freezer for 8 hrs or so.
I then heated up the lower ball joint hole in the lower control arm with a torch and then fitted the super cold new ball joint into it and it literally fell into place.
Obviously don't heat the lower control arm to an orange red lol. Just apply a little heat.
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One more question: Assuming it is the lower ball joint, is this something that can/will catastrophically fail if I continue to drive it between now and when the part arrives (love being an American living in Europe... have to wait for everything you need or pay out the rear for a part that comes in an unmarked white box)? I'm driving it as little as possible right now, but I do have places I need to go every now and then, and I have my kids in the truck when I pick them up from school. Thanks, again.
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Well tbh, there's always the potential for a big failure bud.
I drove around with mine for quite a while. But mine was a dry joint and had no play in it.
But it's not safe to do so really.
Just make this replacement a priority and if when you pry up on the wheel and see movement, I'd definitely take it off the road, until you can get it sorted.
Can't put a price on you your family and other peoples lives mate.
Take care. Any issues either post up or pm me.
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Thanks. As said, I'm trying to drive it as minimally as possible. I'm over in Germany; about an hour south'ish of Frankfurt.
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Thanks. As said, I'm trying to drive it as minimally as possible. I'm over in Germany; about an hour south'ish of Frankfurt.
I've found local dodge dealerships here in the UK can get me parts in days, usually from Italy and Belgium. Ok, little bit expensive but, small fry compared to a hurt family or totalled truck.
We're only talking 20-30 dollars extra per ball joint max.
I'd personally bite the bullet. Get em ordered and get get her done
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Thanks I'll look into it around here. I don't even know where the nearest dealer is. Probably Kaiserslautern. I'll check. You are quite right: a few Euro more is worth the piece of mind and quick repair.

Getting ahead of ourselves, though. I have to verify that's actually what it is, first! I'm going to try and go do that this afternoon.
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Answer > Nail > Head

Lower ball joint on driver's side. They want to order me both side ball joints for $170. Just ball joints, no CA. I guess they will press it, themselves. I have problem doing both sides, as it seems pretty logical. However, should I just order online from somewhere? I'm trying to do my research on here right now. Looks like MOOG is the way to go with greaseable joints. Do those come as a unit in the CA?
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Is this the part I need?:

http://www.rockauto.com/catalog/more...339&cc=1430807

Well, the respective part for the other side, too, obviously. No CA for the lower, just press-in ball joints, correct? Seems I was thinking of upper ball joints with the CA replacement. Hooray for search...
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Thats the part you need. If its suitable for your application. Moog = beeter than factiry in this instance.
Cant help with the UCA.
If moog make one, once again better than stock.
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Thanks, again. Everything I need ordered the other day. Luckily I'm out of town for a few days (and then a few more days), so I won't be driving it much.
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Mine's been doing it for about a year now, but that's only about 3k worth of driving. Same sound, just like the mattress in a cheap motel. I've been using the truck VERY sparingly, especially since every rotation slings grease from the driver's side CV all over the underside of the truck. I've had pretty much no rubber left on anything under the truck for a while - downside of fishing the intercoastal and slopping salt water around under there.

I had major surgery in December and have had 2 Moog lowers, 2 Moog UCAs and a pair or Cardone CVs in the garage since October. Health is about back to where I should be able to tackle this in the next couple of weeks...

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Mine's been doing it for about a year now, but that's only about 3k worth of driving. Same sound, just like the mattress in a cheap motel. I've been using the truck VERY sparingly, especially since every rotation slings grease from the driver's side CV all over the underside of the truck. I've had pretty much no rubber left on anything under the truck for a while - downside of fishing the intercoastal and slopping salt water around under there.

I had major surgery in December and have had 2 Moog lowers, 2 Moog UCAs and a pair or Cardone CVs in the garage since October. Health is about back to where I should be able to tackle this in the next couple of weeks...
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Get well quick and good luck with your repairs brother.
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Oh, man... School's had me limiting my internet time, so I haven't been around here as much at all recently (I've also gotten the bug to start slowly building our 2010 JK, which has eaten up my available internet research time). Sorry to hear about your surgery, Hammer. Hope it fixed whatever it was supposed to be fixing!

Question: That's four people now who have had ball joint issues that I know of. All have been driver's side. Is it just coincidence?
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Oh, man... School's had me limiting my internet time, so I haven't been around here as much at all recently (I've also gotten the bug to start slowly building our 2010 JK, which has eaten up my available internet research time). Sorry to hear about your surgery, Hammer. Hope it fixed whatever it was supposed to be fixing!

Question: That's four people now who have had ball joint issues that I know of. All have been driver's side. Is it just coincidence?
Yeah surgery in December went well but healing time is like 4 months. I can't blame Dodge, 10 years old, nine of it lifted with 35" tires is hard on IFS front ends and they'd prolly all still be good if I was better on rinsing salt water from underneath after fishing the intercoastal. I ain't had rubber boots in a couple years now. Hell, the boots on tge CVs will fall to pieces if you justvtouch them...
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I hear you. Mine is 9 years old, so I'm not upset when little things start happening. I don't regularly abuse it, and I do the maintenance on it, but I also don't detail it every week, if you know what I mean. I'm not upset, just slowed down for a bit. It happened at a convenient time, though. Let's hope the parts get here while I am out of town.

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