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The 2009 Dodge Ram 1500 vs. the 2008 Toyota Tundra
If I were in the Toyota camp I'ld be yelling "wasamata wi you". The write up is clearly bias and favors the RAM.
1. I am ok with comparing an 08 to an 09 due to only slight changes in the tundra, but it is not fair to compare a Ram Laramie CREWcab to the Toyota QUADcab. I know for a fact that the Tundra crew is more spacious than the Ram crew + it allows the rear seats to slide back and forth and the backrest may be reclined for a more comfortable ride. The reclining rears are a big plus especially on longer rides.
2. Also no mention was given to the much tighter turning radius of the Tundra. For big vehicles the ability to turn when parking is huge and the Ram wasn't close to the Tundra in making the full circle in the same parking lot when I tested them.
3. It doesn't matter how high the msrp is on a vehicle if you will end up discounting it more than $10k. Ex. most of us have gotten our 09 rams for $11-$13k off from sticker, there is NO way toyota is taking that much off there 08 models much less there 09.
I went with the ram for a few good reasons (price, ride, availability) but if I could have a tundra limited with similar options and ballpark $ I would be in the TUNDRA NATION forum right now.
You loyalist feel free to stone me for treason and blasphemy
This is my first Dodge vehicle so I'm not so sure about the reliability of this truck. I've driven Toyota, Chevy, and Suby's and REALLY liked them all. I was also looking at the tundra and my ram. I'm VERY happy with my purchase but I'm always kind of nervous that my truck is going to break down 10 years down the road... I trust Toyota's reliability... PERIOD. Like Ski doo, price was the determining factor. Toyota only gave about $5000 off and Dodge gave about $12,000 plus a bedliner... NO BRAINER! I LOVE MY TRUCK!!!
I agree with you. I almost bought a 08 tundra. I've been through 4 toyota dealers (compared to 1 dodge dealer) and the best they could do was 8K (only 1 dealer) off the sticker compared to 10K off the ram at the time. I jumped on the ram as soon as they called me and offered 12K off the sticker. I am happy with the purchase because the ride (smoother) and interior looks better compared to the tundra in my opinion.
I am right there with you guys, I knew from the start I wanted a Ram, looks at Chevy, GM, Toyota, and Ford, and drove them all, and feel in love with the Ram from Day 1. I use to have an 04, and I think the 09's are far better, I think Dodge did a wonderful job.
After deciding to buy a new half ton truck with the latest technology I drove the 09 Silverado, 08 & 09 F150, 08 Titan, 08 Tundra and decided on the Tundra since I swore several years ago that I'd never own a Dodge again. That's right, didn't even consider the new Ram 1500. All the dealers had numerous trucks in their inventories and were offering unheard of discounts/rebates and was waiting for Toyota to offer 1/3 off sticker. Instead Toyota's rebates were decreasing not increasing as they got older so I decided what the heck - let's go drive a new Ram just for fun after reading all the reviews. I drove several models and came away surprised and extremely impressed with the Rams, esp the TRX4 Quad Cab with Hemi of course.....I had a $24K standing offer out on a comparably equipped 08 Tundra and went to the dealership told them to take it or leave it and I'll go check out the best deal on a 09 Ram. They told me not a dime less than $28,400 and might "deal" on their additional $500 alarm and $400 for theft etching the windows. So I walked, drove quickly back to the Dodge dealer with the 150+ Ram 1500s. picked out a silver TRX4 Quad, drove it and made a very low offer on paper and made a note on the paperwork for the sales manager to come over and deal directly if he wants a quick sale today, 6pm on a Saturday night with an empty showroom. He came over and I waved some money in his face and "take it or leave it" or I'll buy a leftover Tundra, don't want to hear any sales talk....he whined quite a bit so I told him to go figure how much he's made through the month on their sales and maybe they could stand to lose a bit on this month end sale and pump his volume numbers up......drove the new $37K+ stickered Ram home for an unbeliveable price and have never looked back....very impressed with how much Dodge has improved their build quality, engineering and performance.
Former Dodge hater, now a big Dodge fan, TooFast
Last edited by TooFast007; 04-17-2009 at 11:39 AM..
Bah, watch the videos bashing the Tundra rear again, if it slips and you let off the gas, it won't switch over. If you let it spin, it locks up solid. The Tundra is a great truck, but at the end of the day, the Dodge beat everyone hands down on discounts. I am paying over 100 less a month then any deal I could get on any other truck in town. Money talks....
i live in "motorcity" so its def. truck country. you dont see many foreign trucks around here. i was only considering a "big 3" truck. when i was in the market last summer. it was dodge, chevy, ford in that order for discounts. at the time it was $13k, 10k, 7k. in that order. i ended up with a dodge.. i dont care what anyone says. the f150 is not 7grand better of a truck!
09 ram 1500 QC sport 4x4 sunburst orange. 20" chrome, 3.55 rear. mods:bakflip hd. mufflex dods 14". tinted fronts 20%. k&n drop in. trx painted grille.linex bed. bed rug floor "only" liner.superchips cortex, hidextra 6000k low,fog. all bulbs changed to l.e.d.'s.amp research side steps.
Best thing to do is drive into the dealership of the one you want to buy with the opposite one and tell them this is what I want to buy but they will only give be so much off what can you do for me and then you have both trucks together beside each other. Or just go buy a frikken Dodge, why do we talk about Toyota's in here, they are mass producers now they don't care anymore.
09 Brilliant Black Sport Hemi 4x4 CC,now has FUEL SAVER light. Mopar bed rug(awesome), Pace Edwards power locking gate, updated to RER,tinted windows,Husky Weather beaters, Craftec Tonneau, Mopar mudflaps,tailgate assist ram, Lockpick v3 with front and rear ccd cameras, Mopar running tubes,Cabin Filter Mod, DiabloSport catch can.
Did I maybe miss it, or was the Ram equiped with only 3.55s?! That would make it tow less up the steep first hill! I get the idea it is 3.55s due to the 6300 pound max tow limit, less than what the trailer weighed, right? That would equate to 20" wheels and 3.55s, not a great towing combo. It will tow fine for lots, but that is a heavy trailer. After looking carefully at these two trucks in Dec and Jan and driving both, I must atleast agree with post #4. plenty power there in the Tundra, that is not a Tundra problem. I liked the ride, the interior, the mileage, and the looks of the Ram better. Now changing these 16 plugs will be a *&#$% !!And it is more frequently! My use is to tow a total weight of 5,000 to 6,000 pounds of trailer, racecar and stuff. My TRX4 QC Hemi will do fine, that's what I chose. Before I left to go overseas. Something not mentioned, they wanna compre Safety...the Ram wins structural integraty in any head on accident, does good in side impact, but no (torso?) airbag makes the Tundra shine there. oh well, more head on accidents happen then side impact. Specially in my area. Look it up on IIHS safety and see where the Tundra steering wheel goes in head on impact, I give you a hint, it's not away from the driver!
Oh, also, post 6. Tundra makes a DOUBLECAB, not a QUADCAB. But then it compares a Double to a Dodge crew? Thats atleast fair in the weight between the two trucks as Tundras weigh I believe more. Plenty power tho in the Ram, my Hemi has plenty torque, I don't make a habit of using cruise control on steep hills cause it is usually so quick to slam it down into a gear that is lower than it would if you were not on cruise, just with your foot on the gas. BUT, the day after I bought mine I set it at about 70 and never once did it rev higher than 2600 to get up a hill, SMOOTH! My friend has a double cab 4x4 Tundra 5.7 trailer tow with 4.3 gears, brand new, says his hits 3400 doing the same run. But I gotta admitt if you plan on towing heavy with a 1500, not a great idea you wanna go putting 850 plus pounds of tongue weight on a Ram, (10% of the 8500 max tow weight in my truck) doesn't leave much weight (legally) for passengers or stuff. So it's good for a medium weight trailer. but if Dodge came up with a heavy half, or camper special with factory air bag springs, a bigger bolt pattern (the same 9.25 rear end was used in vans with a GVWR around 7800 pounds, with a bigger bolt pattern, and also, bigger brakes. I believe it would fill the gap between a 2500 and a 1500 as it costs like almost $5,000 more to build the same 2500 as my 1500, with the Hemi, and you still only get a 5 speed. The frame would handle the extra 300 to 400 or so pounds of payload. 4.10 gears that are already in the R/T Ram could be used, along with a higher weight capacity tire.