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2010 Big Horn Hemi: sizing winter rim/tires

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Old 08-02-2010, 08:57 PM
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Default 2010 Big Horn Hemi: sizing winter rim/tires

Folks -

I bought a new 2010 Ram 1500 Hemi Quad Cab 4x4, Big Horn last Friday.
Love it so far.
It replaced my '06 2500 Cummins Ram single axle, quad cab, 4x4.

My new truck came with the gigantic 275/60/20 Wranglers HPs on chrome rims. Cool looking, but not so cool driving for winter here in Central NY.

I am planning to buy another set of (ideally factory) alloy rims with TPMS sensors, with dedicated tires to take me from November 1 of each year through April 1 of the following year.

I just measured my tires, and they seem to stand about 32" tall in the driveway. I'd like whatever I buy to read about the same on the speedometer..........

Can anyone tell me what to look for in terms of rim/size, and how far back I can go in model years and still assure proper fitment: factory 18"?, factory 17"?

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Old 08-02-2010, 11:13 PM
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The next morning after getting the new 2010 Ram, I swapped out the factory HP's for a set of Cooper Zeon LTZ 275/60 R20. Read a ton of good wright ups and 5/5 stars on Belle Tire's web-site. With $115x4 credit for the stockers it ran me just over $300 installed. I'm in Michigan where I drive 3.5+hrs north all winter in some very nasty stuff. I'm look'n forwad to these. I've been to Tug Hill and Old Forge a few times and or UP and NW lower see's that type of snow. I've had 2 other Rams and the factory HP's just plain suck in everything but dry pavement. The new one's are 33.3in tall and I forget how wide... but made the truck look like a truck.
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Old 08-03-2010, 12:22 AM
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I would stick with a 17 inch rim, you have more tire options with the 17's vs the 18 inch and they cost less.
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Old 08-03-2010, 12:24 AM
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just speaking from a northern alberta perspective. if you can't drive a 4x4 with normal all seasons in winter, you should go back to a prius.
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my stock tires made it through one of the worst winters in iowa with no problems. I was able to get where I needed to go without getting stuck once, and that included driving though two foot snow drifts and on solid ice covered roads. Its like randomdef said if you cant drive a 4x4 with all season tires then walk.
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Old 08-03-2010, 06:15 AM
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I agree 100%. Winter tires are for FWD cars. 4x4s are fine with all-season/all Terrain tires.

And this is coming from an Ontario driver, who has been through as nasty as winter can get.

I am looking forward to trying the Ram out this winter. Even with the Stock Goodyears.
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Old 08-03-2010, 06:35 AM
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Thanks for the input, folks. I'm quite sure I can get where I am going with the stock Wrangler HPs on the 20" factory chrome rims.

I should have been more specific. My objectives are to to dramatically IMPROVE winter driving traction, and also take the chromes off to spare them from the brutality of winter road conditions and the chemicals applied to the roads here in Upstate NY.

For example, on my '06 2500 Cummins Ram, I replaced the stock Michelien LTXs with Cooper Discover ATRs when the Michelins wore out. The Coopers have a more open pattern, and the truck went much, miuch better in wet snow and the type of mud and slop I occasionally encounter when field hunting for geese, which calls for driving on wet, rutted field laneways.

I found some factory 18s on CL, brand new takeoffs, but the guy is asking $500 per, and I don't know (yet) if that is with the TPMS sensors. Sounds a little steep.
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well if thats the case then you could go with a 17 inch tire and get 285/75R17 tires. Nitto has the terra grappler in that size and it is a fairly aggressive tire but wont howl down the road. that is what I will be going with next year when my tires wear out.
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Here's what I did to my 2010 Big Horn for winter driving here in Alaska - Got some cheap steel factory 17" rims and TPMS sensors and put on a set of Bridgestone Blizzaks. Stick with a factory size tire (I went with 265/70R-17) and have the dealer reset the pinion factor with their scan tool. My dealer told me it's an easy adjustment if you stick with a factory tire size, otherwise it's kinda a PITA.

Yes, you can get around with all-seasons, but you will notice a HUGE improvement with a real winter tire. I'm not talking about getting stuck, I'm talking about when it really matters, like the stopping power of a good studless tire on ice. I really like my Blizzaks and I've also driven a vehicle with Michelin X-Ice's which seemed to perform just as well. I've driven with studded tires too which are a definite improvement over all-seasons, but I like the new studless tires more. Hope this helps.

EDIT: Just to add a little information - the Blizzaks and X-Ice studless winter tires I mentioned have a gummy rubber tread which helps them grip the ice better. Tire Rack has some good reading on them. Here's a link comparing a Blizzak studless winter tire to both all-seasons and a summer tire. http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tests/...y.jsp?ttid=116

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Old 08-03-2010, 05:19 PM
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Here's what I did to my 2010 Big Horn for winter driving here in Alaska - Got some cheap steel factory 17" rims and TPMS sensors and put on a set of Bridgestone Blizzaks. Stick with a factory size tire (I went with 265/70R-17) and have the dealer reset the pinion factor with their scan tool. My dealer told me it's an easy adjustment if you stick with a factory tire size, otherwise it's kinda a PITA.

Yes, you can get around with all-seasons, but you will notice a HUGE improvement with a real winter tire. I'm not talking about getting stuck, I'm talking about when it really matters, like the stopping power of a good studless tire on ice. I really like my Blizzaks and I've also driven a vehicle with Michelin X-Ice's which seemed to perform just as well. I've driven with studded tires too which are a definite improvement over all-seasons, but I like the new studless tires more. Hope this helps.
This is exactly what I'm gonna do. Getting cheap black steel 17" rims and going with REAL winter tires Blizzaks! I don't know how much snow you guys get, but here we get it by the feet. M&S tires just don't cut it! I have the superchips comming and will be able to set my tire height that way. Purpose built winter tires are way better than M&S tirs. I see it every storm. Big 4x4s stuck in the ditch cause they don't have the proper tires. Stopping and steering are where the winters really shine.
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Thanks for the input, folks. I'm quite sure I can get where I am going with the stock Wrangler HPs on the 20" factory chrome rims.

I should have been more specific. My objectives are to to dramatically IMPROVE winter driving traction, and also take the chromes off to spare them from the brutality of winter road conditions and the chemicals applied to the roads here in Upstate NY.

For example, on my '06 2500 Cummins Ram, I replaced the stock Michelien LTXs with Cooper Discover ATRs when the Michelins wore out. The Coopers have a more open pattern, and the truck went much, miuch better in wet snow and the type of mud and slop I occasionally encounter when field hunting for geese, which calls for driving on wet, rutted field laneways.

I found some factory 18s on CL, brand new takeoffs, but the guy is asking $500 per, and I don't know (yet) if that is with the TPMS sensors. Sounds a little steep.

Ditto on being able to drive in winter with the HP's but for a few hundered $$ more... why not have some sure-footed traction. The HP's just spin in way too many conditions in 4x4 for my liking. I guess it depends on where/what you really call winter diving. Some places freak out and shut down towns for a couple inches of snow. I'm like... the more the better. After 5 years and 2 previous Ram's with them... I'm soooo glad their gone, thier just an oversized car tire. This way when I have to do some whit-knuckle driving... it will actually be bad out.

I'd say $400 for the rims with TPMS. Their $75 each as a replacement part. Good luck on the purchase... you'll be better off.
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unless I'm on sheer ice (which nothing will help) I've never had wheel spin in 4x4.
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I guess it no longer snows in Alberta...

I could get wheel spin on wet roads in 4x4...

To the OP: google tire size calculator and play with one until you find a tire and wheel package that meets your needs. If you are worried about low traction situations spec tires can help out a great deal.
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I agree 100% that the Blizzaks are excellent.
I had a set once on sedan, but stupidly left them on into early May.
The warmer road temps did them in early.

Steel 17" rims would be fine, but I'd like something that looks a little slicker.

The guy on CL here wants $500 per rim for new factory 18" takeoffs WITHOUT TPMS sensors. That's ridiculous to me.

I'm going to nose around on sme of the online tire store sites, and see what I can come up with.

Thanks for all the solid input.
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Old 08-04-2010, 09:30 AM
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I guess it no longer snows in Alberta...

I could get wheel spin on wet roads in 4x4...
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I'd just think you have no idea how to drive rather than climate shift. I could make my car fly off a building if wanted, doesn't mean I will.
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I'd just think you have no idea how to drive rather than climate shift. I could make my car fly off a building if wanted, doesn't mean I will.
I lived at the bottom of a 12% grade that ran out onto a boat dock. Out in the country. In Northern Michigan.

When it snowed no matter what you drove the wheels were spinning.
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I lived at the bottom of a 12% grade that ran out onto a boat dock. Out in the country. In Northern Michigan.

When it snowed no matter what you drove the wheels were spinning.
My driveway is a lot worse then that in the winter, and I have NEVER needed winter tires on my Sierra, so I doubt I will for the Ram now.

Here is what I deal with.

This is the top...

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But first, I have to round this corner...

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The stock HPs are absolutely junk IMO, especially when they get some mileage on them. On my '05, in the late spring of 2007, we had a late season storm, not even that much snow. While locked into 4hi, navigating a reasonable turn near work on a 45 mph road at 25mph, I nearly plowed straight off the road with the HPs on. When I got to work, I ordered a set of Pirellis...

For 4 winters, I ran Bridgestone Blizzaks on a set of factory chrome clad steel 17's, the difference is night and day, particularly with some weight in the back! Essentially no matter what the weather is/was, I was confident in driving anywheres with the Blizzaks, get them, you will love them!

Plus any of the 17's from 2002 to the present will fit the '10s; my Blizzaks are going on for sure this winter.
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My driveway is a lot worse then that in the winter, and I have NEVER needed winter tires on my Sierra, so I doubt I will for the Ram now.

Here is what I deal with.
Nice house.

It is hard to tell grades in a picture but that looks to be about a 6-8% average...

There was a right angle turn at the bottom of my hill as if you went straight you were on a boat ramp... There was also a decent amount of ice due to the wind carrying water of the lake.

My ex could get up the street in her FWD car with a lot of slipping, everyone with a 4x4 could get up it as long as their tires were not too bald. Everyone had some wheel slip.

Back when I had my thunderbird if there was more than 4 inches of snow I parked at the top of the hill. If it snowed excessively at night I did not even bother and just called into work.
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