Originally Posted by MoparMan1991

+10 I agree completely.

I used to work in county corrections myself and we had the FOP (Fraternal Order of Police) and that union is compete sh*t, we were working on trying to get teamsters in but you know just as well as anyone how the county operates. I certainly wasn't underworked and sure as sh*t wasn't over paid. Unions have purposes, it's just some do a better job than others.

Originally Posted by MoparMan1991

You seem very anti Chrysler. (This IS DodgeForum just in case you forgot)

Originally Posted by MoparMan1991

Of course its all about how much they can make. That's how it is with every single car company that exists today. General Motors, Ford, Toyota, Honda, Volkswagen, Nissan, Peugeot, and Renault, That's all they care about its profit profit profit. Look at the oil industry. You think it costs them $106 a barrel to produce that? Of course not, they're in it for the profit. If you think it costs Mars $2.00 to produce a big bag of Peanut M&Ms? Once again its about the profit. I can do this all day long. Times have changed (slightly) things cost more and to "help reduce the cost to the market" they choose to take short cuts. These short cuts are very cheap and look like complete poo, but they still make the big bucks. And this recall stuff, this is usually the dealers doing, so you cant blame Chrysler LLC. for their mistakes. If you think for a minute people haven't had issues with any of the above listed auto manufacturers, or even any other ones, with recalls or supposed to be covered auto repairs, well you need to sit down and put your thinking cap on bud. Encrypted PCMs and all, that's just them mcovering their asses and you know it just as well as anyone else. It only makes it harder to modify/tune them, not impossible. The codes will get cracked in six months and then you can go buy the latest and best tuner and go tune the hell out of whatever it is you're complaining about. I also am not being rude, just honest.

Originally Posted by 1954Radio

First off, I have an 09 and second I'm not going to lie for you Chrys or anyone else because it's a Dodge forum. My company is not being drug through the media for smoking weed and drinking at work and we don't have morale problems but apparently Chrys does. The guy who started this thread had every right to and LU229 has every right to speak h is mind. If you think Im wrong then maybe we should ask what you are smoking. There's a guy on here right now trying to get his engine replaced or repaired correctly and professionally and not with just a couple of new parts and an oil flush. No professional shop in the country would do this without going through the entire engine oiling component and there asking for oppinions??? Now it's my turn to ask and again I'm nor being rude..."what is chrysler smoking"?

Originally Posted by Shibby927

Wow I can't believe some of the crap I'm reading on this thread. Chrysler is doing exactly what it needs to do. They've needed a compact car to replace the Neon since they discontinued it. The Caliber was supposed to be the replacement and sales were lackluster on it. I think the new Dart looks cool, is modern, and I believe that these new 4 Cylinder Tigershark engines or whatever they call them are probably the best 4 cylinder engines that Chrysler has ever offered by and far.

If you want a Dart like the one in the 70's then go and buy yourself a 70's Dart or quit complaining because this is the year 2012. Vehicles are much different now and manufacturers are forced to build vehicles that meet government requirements for emissions and safety. This isn't the 70's where they built 4000lb muscle cars with giant gas guzzling big block V8's, this is 2012, the economy is bad, unemployment is high, and people need cars that get better gas mileage. If Chrysler did nothing but resurrect old names to slap them on V8 or V10 performance cars they wouldn't be making any money. They still cater to performance enthusiasts with the Charger, Challenger, and Viper but they also have to cater to the normal everyday average joe that just needs a vehicle to get them from point a to point b.

To suggest that Chrysler is going to go under is ridiculous. They have just about got this bailout debt repaid. Fiat actually seems to give a damn, unlike Daimler. Quality on a majority of their vehicle lineup across all brands is miles ahead of what it was just a few years ago. The difference in the quality of materials used to build the interior of my 2006 Dakota and my 2011 Ram is HUGE. My RAM is miles ahead of my Dakota in every category. Chrysler, Dodge, and RAM vehicles seem to be getting much more favorable reviews across the board from both the owners and the experts as well. Not really sure where you come up with this Chrysler can't build an engine like the Japs can crap LU. The Nissan Titan rolls with an outdated 5.6 Liter with less horsepower and worse fuel economy than the new Hemis, there were even talks that Nissan would swap out the 5.6 and start putting in the 5.7L Hemi a couple of years ago. The Toyota 5.7L has less horsepower and also gets worse mileage. As for the cars I think that company's like Toyota, Nissan, Mitsubishi, etc... do have good 4 Cylinder and 6 Cylinder engines but that's been their bread and butter since they've all been around. Japan is a totally different country and a totally different culture from our Country. In America the cool thing is Muscle Cars and Pickup Trucks with high powered V8 engines, and in Japan it's more about economy or "tuning" in their performance scene. Chrysler is getting much better, the Pentastar is probably the best 6 Cylinder engine we've had in years, and these new Tigershark 4 Cylinders are going to be light years ahead of the boring, loud, and underpowered 4 Cylinders they've been offering in the Avenger, Sebring, etc...

Also I'd like to point out that Unions aren't always a bad thing. I work in Law Enforcement at the County Level. Without the Teamsters we wouldn't get half the benefits or half the pay for the job we do. I work in Corrections. I deal with some of the biggest sh!tbags society has to offer so you don't have to deal with them yourselves. Our board of supervisors would hang us out to dry with all of the budget cuts going on if the Teamsters weren't in place to protect us. So Unions do serve a purpose, I am not underworked, and I am definitely not overpaid for the crap that I have to put up with.

Originally Posted by 1954Radio

First off, I have an 09 and second I'm not going to lie for you Chrys or anyone else because it's a Dodge forum. My company is not being drug through the media for smoking weed and drinking at work and we don't have morale problems but apparently Chrys does. The guy who started this thread had every right to and LU229 has every right to speak h is mind. If you think Im wrong then maybe we should ask what you are smoking. There's a guy on here right now trying to get his engine replaced or repaired correctly and professionally and not with just a couple of new parts and an oil flush. No professional shop in the country would do this without going through the entire engine oiling component and there asking for oppinions??? Now it's my turn to ask and again I'm nor being rude..."what is chrysler smoking"?

Originally Posted by 2x1972

I have no facts, so this is a question: Is Chrysler the only one who uses encrypted PCM's at this point? I was under the impression that that was the way that the entire industry was going. Not that I like it, but in today's lawsuit happy age, it only makes sense to the manufacturer.

Originally Posted by MoparMan1991

I don't think anyone here said he couldn't speak his mind. With that being said, what are you smoking?