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Old 08-29-2007, 09:06 PM
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I re-installed my quad xzt box two days ago. Yesterday I thought I noticed a little more injector rattle. This morning when I left for work my truck started bucking and farting and burping black smoke under acceleration around 2k rpm. I stopped on the side of the road and pulled the box off and used the by - pass plug it came with, so I could leave the harness there. I called the delaer while I was driving and asked them to ready the diesel tech who recently replaced my #6 injector. They informed me he was no longer there[:@], and it would be the end of next week before they could look at it because the only diesel tech there was booked through then [:@][:@]. So I continued on with my day and it smoothed out after a while. On the last leg of my trip today I stopped and had my bed rail protectors replaced. When I left there to come home it started acting up again and threw a CEL. I got home and did the key trick and the codes I got were P0148 (HPCR Checksum) and P0193 ( Fuel pressure sensor voltage too high). Now the quad harness plugs into the rail pressure sensor, so I took the harness off. Then I drained my fuel bowl just to make sure I didn't get some watery fuel, it was pristine.I just returned from a test drive and it seems ok now. Should I jsut go to an auto parts store and have them clear the codes? Will the dealer be able to tell I have done this? Should I just go to another dealer and let them check it out?
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Old 08-29-2007, 09:21 PM
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I would get ahold of quad himself. . .it sounds like you have a bad harness. he is VERY good about diagnosing if it is his harness that has a bad diode or not.
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Old 08-29-2007, 09:23 PM
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What about the truck? SHould I clear the codes? I hate seeing that CEL while I'm driving.
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Old 08-29-2007, 09:25 PM
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I would say remove the harness completely, then go on a test run and see if she acts up. it wouldnt hurt to have the codes cleard out.
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A good tech will know exactly what caused this. The problem is in the first line of your post.The dealer will be able to tell what the cause was even if you take it all off before you go in.
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Old 08-29-2007, 09:31 PM
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Drew, I took the harness completely off and test drove it. It seems like the symptoms are gone now. I guess I'll hit the Advanced Auto parts tomorrow and ask them to clear the codes.
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Old 08-29-2007, 09:36 PM
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I don't know the Quad well but, isn't it a pressure box ? There could be something wrong with it or it's harness but, the only real reason you'd get the P0193 code is if you spiked the rail pressure. It must have gotten up to or close to 26 to 28K

The fuel delivery malfuction is a common code and may just go away. Sometimes if the ECM senses a problem in one area... it inadvertanly affect other things.

The dealer will put you in the system as a NON warranty if you go to them with this problem than, you'll be screwed down the road for other things.
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Old 08-29-2007, 09:43 PM
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The quad box I have is just a 60 hp econo box. I don't think it actually spiked the rail pressure. I didn't get the cel or code until I pulled the box and left the harness. I am gonna try to have those codes cleared and see what happens. Does anyone know if clearing those codes at the auto parts store is final, or does the computer save a list of codes that were there and then cleared?
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the codes will erase but, ( and I may not have the wording correct ) it could have changed the "check key sums" count. That's what the dealer can see. That's one thing the Smarty doesn't do which is why I think they can claim it's not traceable. You really ought to think about getting one. You an clear your own codes, change the ABS setting for tire size, get a crap load of power and be safe going back to the dealer.... that is unless you really break something.
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that is why I say it may be the harness. even though it did buck a little with the box on, it was able to keep things under controll due to an issue with the harness. with the plugs in the computer was having to go through the harness and noticed something was amiss and threw the code.

I believe the econo boxes from quad are pressure timeing boxes.
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Definitely pressure, and they say timing too. I don't see how it does timing, it only plugs up to the Rail Pressure sensor and the MAP sensor. Now I am worried, between Triton and Parts / Service. How do I get these cleared with out getting busted. A $900 smarty is not in the buget just now.
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it may already be too late. It's a price and risk you take using performance boxes. The codes should clear but, if you're having a problem ( like another toasted injector ) they may get suspicious.

Timing and pressure at the wrong times can be very damaging.... you know what happen with my truck. Both of those factors played a big part in that... along with my foot :-) It does it's timing through the MAP sensor. The rail pressure it to tell it when and how much fuel you need.

I don't mean to be scaring you as it may like Drew said, only be beause you had the harness connected without anything on it. I did the same thing the other day. I have my MP-8 harness installed and disonnected it's brain. The truck ran like ca ca until I reinstalled the box. I don't think our trucks like having harnesses in place without any info being sent to them.

I'd just go clear the codes and go from there. BTW... the smarty is $685, a little better than $900 :-)
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Old 08-30-2007, 03:02 PM
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I've always wondered if my tripdog was detectable by the dealer. Is it? I guess it probably is because it messes with the checksum stuff. However, the technical support at bullydog said that the tripdog didn't physically modify anything so my warranty would still be good, just would have to talk to the manager if any talk of refusing to keep work under warranty arised. Any experiences or input?
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Old 08-30-2007, 03:51 PM
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heres the thing. . .many times I have seen where some guys willgo in with some issue. . .may or may not have been related to a box or downloader. the service guy will ask, those that own up and be cool about it will usualy keep their warranty, but are forwarned about comeing back in with the same problem again. Those that say they havent, even though they have, will usualy have something bad happen to them.

it is always good to be on the good side of the service writer and dont **** them off. I found that out real quick when I worked in the service dept of a dealership. the guys that were cool and nice to talk to we generaly ran their vehicles through the car was and vacuumed it out at no charge, and still got it back to them in time. those that **** us off were left with some nice wet farts in the apulstry
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lol , i could do without the wet farts in my apulstry. My dad is friends with the old service manager at the stealer I go to, he usually cuts me pretty good deals when I buy parts, and gave me a new down pipe and labor to install it for free under warranty.( couple months back I kept yanking itout of the cat pipe, first time hehad heard of it, but no questions) He's a pretty cool guy, and hes got an '05 that I saw an altitude monitor in, so i think he'll help me out and overlook anything that could be questioned.
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just from what you said. . .he'll be good to work with and will let alot slide. also helps that he's good friends with your pops.
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Old 08-30-2007, 04:25 PM
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Hes a really, I guess humble would be the word, kind of guy. I really hate having to take up his time to tell him about my truck, and he always does it himself which makes my stomach turn over inside. I hate bothering people when they are busy because I know how it feels. Maybe I'm giving him a little relief by letting him get away from his desk for a while. I usually go there a couple times after school trying to get them to do work on my truck, but they tell me to come back in the morning ( ya, they are seriously dumb because I would of come in the morning if I didn't have school) After a couple of trips is when I'll talk to my dads friend, maybe that is why he always helps me. I hate going because they always turn me down, then when I talk to him and they fix it on the spot, I love and adore them for it. My truck is my baby!
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Well I drove all day today and no more symptoms. After the 5th startup the CEL is gone. The codes are still there ( I checked when I got home this evening), but at least I didn't break anything. Quad says probably a bad connection at the Rail Pressure sensor. They recommend using dielectric grease on the connections. I don't think I am going to reinstall it, at least not for a while. The whole reason I put it back on to begin with is, ever since the dealerreplaced an injector I am down on power and my mileage is down as well. I guess I will just drive it like it is for now and see what happens. I still think I have one more suspect injector. BTW will disconnecting the batteries clear the codes?
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Drop the truck off by the stand next week and I will clear the injectors out for you. I gotta go pick up 12,000lbs of pumpkins on the other side of Ashville. It will either blow or come clean. By the way Farm Days is this weekend up in Dacusville, are you gonna go and stare at all the kewl old tractors and sawmills? Im going Sunday after church with the wife and 4.
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We'll be camping Sunday,my boy Jeromeand I might just meet you there. I'll stop by the storeand see if I can understand your directions.
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