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Old 04-28-2010, 12:51 PM
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I have a '05 3500 Dodge Cummins Diesel 5.9L 4 x 4 dually. I recently got an oil change, lube and air filter changed and filled up. Then took an 8 hr road trip and two thirds way there I picked up $30 worth of diesel. Next morning I started my truck and there was white smoke blowing out of the exhaust. I shut it off immediately. The oil was down so I added some to bring the level back up. The antifreeze level was good and gauages were all good. I proceeded to go get some fuel conditioner thinking that I did pick up bad fuel on the way. Added it to a quarter tank and drove it for a bit, but had to head back home, so I filled the tank. All the way home it still blew white smoke, but only did this when starting out. On highway it never blew the white smoke. On the trip I stopped periodically to check the fluid levels and they were all good. Temp gauge good. No loss of power. However, yesterday driving it to work at stop sign starting it out it blew black smoke, lost power for about a mile and heard a brief noise that lasted about 30 seconds, then it picked up power. It still blows white smoke! I have parked it until I can get it looked at, but in the meanwhile can anyone please tell me what my truck may be experiencing so I don't get ripped off at the garage (cause I am a female)??? I hope and pray that it is not anything major!!! yikes!
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Old 04-28-2010, 01:15 PM
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my best guess would be a failing FCA (fuel control acuator) on the high pressure pump, coal train may have a little more insite for you, i'm sure he be back here soon
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Old 04-28-2010, 10:52 PM
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Well Coal Train is the person to talk to... But i have some insight Also.. Did you by chance drain your fuel filter housing? Did any water poor out of it... Here is a good way to test that Get a CLEAN drain pan on the drivers side just under the Axle put your drain pan.. Then on the filter housing witch is on the drivers side it will have a Yellow handle open that lever. Fuel will start to poor out...

Then take leave it open and go in to the truck and turn key on do not start.. the fuel lift pump should pump for a few seconds.... and the fuel should spray out of the hose... if you have someone with you Bump the starter it will turn on for 20 seconds or so... If none above happens its a lift pump (transfer pump)... 2005 I think its in the tank.. Your CP3 high pressure pump will draw its own fuel if the lift pump fails... But Rail pressure is low
If everything goes as planned then I would take out the FCA witch is mounted on the back of the CP3 pump and Shake it if it rattles then its Ok if not then its dirty they can be cleaned but it dont last very long so get a new one anyways.. They are at Cummins or Coal train can get you one too or lead you to great spot to get one..
Also Look at the CLEAN drain pan should have a green tinted Diesel fuel. if its Brownish or has water they will be CLEAR spots in the Diesel fuel..

You wouldn't have any Gauges would you?

Worse case You cracked a injector with so called bad fuel... That can get costly if your taking it to a shop... Water dont compress so when it get into the injector. The water has to have someplace to go usually its through the side... and leaks Diesel fuel in the engine oil...
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Water dont compress
i'm not picking on you at all, but i do hear this alot, all liquid is uncompressable, just water will boil so fast at the temperature and pressure in a diesel (especially in a commonrail) it basically explodes, and thats what causes injector tip to fail, but still great points, it could also be a clogged fuel line, but definatly sounds like an over rail pressure problem, oh, and no one will pick on ya for being a female here
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POOR choice of words on my part... Really should fix that as to say When water is compressed in the injector it explodes the sides or you will have nozzle failure...Thanks Dodge trucker for making that clear to everyone... :THUMBSUP:
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Old 05-04-2010, 05:37 AM
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Sorry, just saw this.

My first thought is that you blew an injector.

Normally you'll see white smoke if it's sticking a bit, but not much black.

If the white smoke continues or gets really thick (like mosquito fogger thick) at idle, then more than likely you cracked an injector nozzle or the body.

If water got through, it does a number on the CR injectors....basically it turns the fuel stream into a high pressure water jet and that's all she wrote. Water is THE worse thing on common rail injectors.....that and excess pressure.

If that's the case, it's likely you'll need more than 1 injector.

When you bring it to the dealer (and I hate to say it, but it's your cheapest option for this part), tell them you need them to do an Injector Kill Test. If the truck is out of warranty, this will cost you about $65 for the diagnostics, but IT IS your cheapest / best option; otherwise you'll be throwing parts at it....and that gets expensive.

This allows the tech to individually shut down injectors to determine which one(s) is / are bad. When you shut down a good one, the engine stumbles and adjusts to maintain idle. When you shut down the bad one, the smoke goes away and the idle smoothes out. Then you know which are bad.

But, like l said, if it's water damage, you likely have more than 1 that is damaged.
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Old 05-04-2010, 08:31 PM
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wher they filling the tanks up with diesel when you were filling? if so water probably got mixed up in the fuel you were pumping and affected your engine.
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if ur injectors turn out to be f***ed up dont buy new ones from dodge they will ask a ridicules amount of money u can get a good set of used after market ones for around the $500 ish on cummins fourm
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if ur injectors turn out to be f***ed up dont buy new ones from dodge they will ask a ridicules amount of money u can get a good set of used after market ones for around the $500 ish on cummins fourm
There a lot less than that when you ask the right people.

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Old 05-08-2010, 02:36 PM
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I am having the exact same problem you are having, I have taken the truck into the diesel shop and they swapped out number six injector which did nothing. Then did a compression test on that hole and found it has only 80 psi. The valves all sit level and it gets better once it is warm so it is not a dropped seat. the only thing left to do is pull the head off and see what is going on in there.

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Well i got the head off and number six is scored all to hell as it means rebuild time. How are you making out???
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2005 RAM 2500 with the 5.9L Cummins Turbo Diesel. On vacation 1000 miles from home. Just left a small shop in a strip mall getting breakfast, got back on the highway and a knock started along with billowing white smoke and a loss in power. I pulled the intake hose and checked the turbo. It still spins freely. I replaced the fuel filter, bled the system and started it up again. Still knocked. It starts fine and doesn't smoke at idle. I checked the oil that I had just changed about 1200 miles ago and its about an inch higher than the mark on the dipstick. The coolant also seemed low but that may have been pre-existing. Tomorrow I check the strainer on the tank lift pump, and try to find a IR gun to check the temp of the exhaust manifold journals to find one that is cool and then address that injector. I am a first time Diesel owner, have a decent amount of automotive knowledge except for my diesel ignorance. Any troubleshooting you guys have will be very welcome.
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Default I have a leak in my fuel filter housing. Help

I have a leak (small spray) coming out of the back of the cap on the fuel filter housing. It has blown my cap off once already and I had to replace the cap. I removed the housing to make sure it wasn't cracked at that particular place and it is not. The fuel shoots out between the cap and housing as the o ring is bulged out. Too much pressure in the housing? What could cause this? HELP please!
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I have a leak (small spray) coming out of the back of the cap on the fuel filter housing. It has blown my cap off once already and I had to replace the cap. I removed the housing to make sure it wasn't cracked at that particular place and it is not. The fuel shoots out between the cap and housing as the o ring is bulged out. Too much pressure in the housing? What could cause this? HELP please
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hi my name is shad. i have an 05 dodge cummins. Recently it has had a hard time starting, when it fires it runs reely rough. seems not to be hitting on all cylinders. after about 5-8 minutes it runs fine and has no loss in power. but if the truck cools down again it doese the same thing. I could reely use some advice, i plan on fixing it myself but have never had a problem like this before with any of my trucks.
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hi my name is shad. i have an 05 dodge cummins. Recently it has had a hard time starting, when it fires it runs reely rough. seems not to be hitting on all cylinders. after about 5-8 minutes it runs fine and has no loss in power. but if the truck cools down again it doese the same thing. I could reely use some advice, i plan on fixing it myself but have never had a problem like this before with any of my trucks.

Shad,

Is the weather colder right now where you are from? Have you been using an engine block heater to warm the engine coolant and allow quicker starts. Not using an engine block heater will cause a rough start in cold weather.

The engine block heater cord is a factory installed option, however if the vehicle is not equipped, heater cords are available and can be installed at a Dodge dealer. The engine block heater cord would be routed under the hood to the right side and can be located just behind the grille near the headlamp.

Please note that the block heater must be plugged in at least one hour to have an adequate warming effect on the coolant. This information can be found on page 231 of the Owner's Manual.

I hope this helps.
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I bought this used with bad motor, was completely dusted, with broken rings in piston 4 and 6. I have completely rebuilt this motor. Replaced all 6 injectors, tested 4 and 6 were bad and 1 and 2 border line bad.
I was able to drive it to my shop after I bought it. When I went start the first time I heard load clicking noises,(from fuel relay and High pressure switch) no gauges, missed one ground wire. After review my pictures that I wired 2, 4, 6 injector wires inside valve cover backwards, still no start.. I can hear the lift pump working inside the tank. But I also hear the injector clicking inside valve cover with just on not turning the motor over...These injectors click for about 5 mins then stop. WIth one inject seeming to get more power than the rest. this rotates thru each injector.. with one injector having more power after cranking the motor over... I have also taken the high pressure senor off the mechanical pump and shaken it, it does not rattle like in a you tube video. According to a snap on code reader, all fuel pressures are correct. Have bleed fuel system at block several times... The batteries have gotten low and been on a charger. I also see a blinking red light at 5 o'clock below speedo. I only have a black key. no valet or pods.. I'm not getting mali function codes unless I unplug something. I work around these engines on farm, logging and trucking. I
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I bought this used with bad motor, was completely dusted, with broken rings in piston 4 and 6. I have completely rebuilt this motor. Replaced all 6 injectors, tested 4 and 6 were bad and 1 and 2 border line bad.
I was able to drive it to my shop after I bought it. When I went start the first time I heard load clicking noises,(from fuel relay and High pressure switch) no gauges, missed one ground . After review my pictures that I wired 2, 4, 6 injector wires inside valve cover backwards, still no start.. I can hear the lift pump working inside the. But I also hear the injector clicking inside valve cover with just on not turning the motor over...These injectors click for about 5 mins then stop. WIth one inject seeming to get more power than the rest. this rotates thru each injector.. with one injector having more power after cranking the motor over... I have also taken the high pressure senor off the mechanical pump and shaken it, it does not rattle like in a you tube video. According to a snap on code reader, all fuel pressures are correct. Have bleed at block several times... The batteries have gotten low and been on a charger. I also see a blinking red light at 5 o'clock below speedo. I only have a black key. no valet or pods.. I'm not getting mali function codes unless I unplug something. I work around these engines on farm, logging and trucking, but first diesel that I rebuilt... I found that valves that valves were over tight or open all the time as I tore down the motor. beside injectors and rings bad. They had removed the air cleaner, and placed a house hold water filter on the oil breather tube to catch all the blow by... it was a repo...

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