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2002 ram van 5.2l, van stalls, wont restart "no bus on odometer"

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Old 11-24-2008, 10:20 AM
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Default 2002 ram van 5.2l, van stalls, wont restart "no bus on odometer"

2002 ram van 1500, 5.2 liter 45,000 miles
started having problems a week ago, van would stall and i could restart it right away. Then a couple of times later van would not start just crank over and no bus would show on odometer. Waited a few minutes and try again van would start. When van doesnt start you can not hear any relays clicking to indicate fuel pump is kickin on. I tried swapping asd relay for a/c relay as they are the same and still have problem. On saturday afternoon. I started van numerous times, pulled dogbox off to see back of engine. I hooked up fuel pressure guage and had great fuel pressure. Also had spark. Truck would sit and idle and suddenly stall. Looking at guage there is no drop in fuel pressure. Could not duplicate no start condition. Drove van around and it worked ok. Put it back together after checking for loose wires etc. Sunday morning went to take kids to hockey practice, van started then stalled, would not restart, no bus on dash. This morning before work went to van and it started right up, shut it off and took other car, cant afford to break down and not get it restarted. Any idea's would be greatly appreciated. Also cam sensor was replaced in dist.
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Old 11-24-2008, 05:05 PM
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The PCM is no good.
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Old 11-22-2011, 08:16 PM
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Default Same van same problem

Could you tell me what the final fix was.i have identical problem.was it the pcm/ecm? Thanks.
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Old 11-22-2011, 09:14 PM
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No Buss indicates that the PCM has gone bad and is not communicating with the instrument panel. If yours says "No Buss" then replace the PCM.
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Old 11-25-2011, 12:26 AM
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Had this happen this past week, the "no-buss' error. I took the advice here in the forums posted awhile back. ...

- disconnect the battery negative.
- turn the key in the ignition forward to start and leave it there for 10 mins. (This drains the PCM and any of the computer power capacitors. This resets the PCM and the PCM counter of "good starts" Total is 255.
- take the key out.
- reconnect the battery
- start the van

If that didn't work, then turn off the key. Pop off each of the 3 wire-harness connections blow out the connectors with CRC electrical cleaner. Reconnect when they dry and try starting again.

If that still didn't work, back out the PCM mounting screws. clean them up for better grounding. Put them back in and try starting.

If that doesn't work to rid the "no-bus", then it's time for a new PCM.

I did all three at a truck stop when we became stranded. PTL, the PCM came back and for over a week, the van has been running with no issues.
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Now that makes me wonder how many PCM's have been replaced and all it happened to be was corroded ground screw connections.
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Now that makes me wonder how many PCM's have been replaced and all it happened to be was corroded ground screw connections.
many probably but don't understand disconnecting batt and turning key "on"
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Leaving the key on with the battery disconnected is like turning off your computer at home. It discharges any residual power in the computer which puts it back to the "factory new" condition. These PCM's "learn" as we start and drive our vehicles, they adapt to a certain degree based on ambient weather conditions and our type of driving. They store this information in their RAM circuits like our PC use RAM when we work with them, the PCM keeps it's memory alive even when the key is removed from the ignition. So leaving the key on while the battery is disconnected removes the learned information.
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Now that makes me wonder how many PCM's have been replaced and all it happened to be was corroded ground screw connections.
Personally I'm not a big fan of the PCM case to body poor ground theory. The PCM has multiple ground wires going to in within the wiring harness which provides a secure power connection. To me the main purpose of securing the PCM to the body is for heat dissipation. But that's just me, I've been wrong before.
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Wonder if hockeydad ever got the PCM "no-bus" issue fixed yet?
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Well im going out to try it on mine now. Lets hope it works. Will let you know. The PCM has already been replaced and the problem returned in a few days.
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No good here. still have the same problem
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Back a few weeks while looking for an answer other than replacing the PCM, there was a hot-wire that feeds the PCM. At times, the wires get heat and aged making the wire inside brittle enough to loose contact. There was a posting that talked about replacing that wire to one of the three connectors and getting the PCM to work again. It's been too long to remember where that went.
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Default similar no bus problem

1999 Dodge ram van. V6, 5.9L w air. I have an electrical problem that is very hard to find. The symptoms are that the engine stalls in idle after gauges in the instrument panel peg out. During one stall, a “no bus” signal was displayed in the odometer window.
The cause of the problem is probably due to overvoltage that came from the alternator. My DVM was showing more than 18 volts at one time during a wigout. We have replaced the alternator with a version that does not need a control signal from the computer, which is meant for a diesel.
After the alternator was replaced, we had the computer rebuilt, replaced the coil, replaced the idle control motor/parts, and replaced the instrument panel. It doesn’t have the overvoltage problem anymore, but the gauges still wig out and it stalls.
I need to check the grounding/mechanical on the PCM housing.
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After the alternator was replaced, we had the computer rebuilt, replaced the coil, replaced the idle control motor/parts, and replaced the instrument panel. It doesn't have the over-voltage problem anymore, but the gauges still wig out and it stalls.
It sounds like you're losing ground bonding between the engine and body. When this happens the power looks for alternate paths to follow and the sensor wires are the usual places. This tends to cause voltage spikes through the sensors and you see gauges getting pegged.
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How do I test for ground fault bedtween engrne and body?
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Old 01-20-2012, 11:09 AM
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Connect a digital meter, one lead to the block and the other lead to the body. The voltage should never be above 0.5 volts.
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Default 2002 dodge ram 1500 van no bus

I bought this 2002 dodge ram van a couple weeks ago 1500 5.2 engine. The van has been running fine with no problems i went out this morning to go to work and the van wont start just keeps turning over without engine starting then i noticed the fuel gauge buried on empty and the volts gauge was below 8 volts then the mileage started blinking and said no bus!

So i have it towed to a friends car lot where i bought it and started to troubleshoot! I Googled NO BUS and thankfully found you guys to help me start.

I checked all the fuses and they were all fine and then i noticed no power to the under the hood relays in the engine compartment fuse box no fuel no spark.

I changed the crank shaft sensor as the obd11 scanner told me to and nothing!

I started to wiggle the wire harnesses on the engine and i heard the relays click on then off. It turns out the plugs going to the PCM were the problem then i narrowed it down to the plug to the harness plug on the right side of the PCM if you are in front of engine looking in at the PCM i turn the key and it purrs again it now stalls from time to time so now i have to figure out if its the harness plug or the pins on the PCM and it should fix the problem i hope this helps someone else!!!!!!
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I just read your reply and was wondering if you had to do any further repairs or did you succeed in your clean up procedure back in 2011.

I am going to check out your suggestions on my 2002 1500 Ram Van with 119k on it. Had it since brand new.
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an update would be beneficial to all
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