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Old 02-06-2006, 12:45 AM
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I'm going to service my 2001 Durango transmission. I went to the auto parts store and they tell me I need ATF+4, but they don't carry it and can't even get it yet. My question is where can I get ATF+4 and do I really need it? Can I instead use ATF+3, and if I use AFT+3 will I need some sort of additive and what kind and where would I get it?

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Old 02-06-2006, 01:33 AM
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use only atf+4 accept no substitute. It can only be found at the dealer.
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Old 02-06-2006, 02:13 AM
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use only atf+4 accept no substitute. It can only be found at the dealer.

thats BS. the auto store by me sells mopar brand atf+4.
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Old 02-06-2006, 02:32 AM
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I don't think it matters where you get it, use ONLY what the manufacturer recomends. I highly recommend that you read this website about transmissions and trans axles. http://www.allpar.com/fix/trans.html I read this while looking for possible cures for my car problem. It reinforces a lot of what I already knew. A lot to read, but good stuff.
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Old 02-06-2006, 09:01 AM
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thats cool that they carry it nick but that is few and far between and its still mopar fluid.
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true. what about that 9 dollar a quart amsoil synthetic trans fluid?
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Old 02-06-2006, 05:30 PM
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ATF+4 must be bought at the stealership only... I would NOT go with +3 if the owners
manual says to use +4.

DC's auto trannys got enough problems now.. DON'T give the stealerships still
another excuse NOT to honer a warrenty.

Why do you think DC no longer has the 7/70 plan, just the 6/60 now?
Mainly it's their JUNK transmissions!
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amsoil is a great product but thier suggested fluid is thier universal fluid.
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Old 02-06-2006, 11:37 PM
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you can use atf 4 in an atf 3 system but not the other way around. if you can get it at a parts store that is great because you cant get it but in a dealship down here. there are more synthetics that the newer trannys need in the atf-4.
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Old 02-07-2006, 12:47 AM
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ATF+4 must be bought at the stealership only... I would NOT go with +3 if the owners
manual says to use +4.

DC's auto trannys got enough problems now.. DON'T give the stealerships still
another excuse NOT to honer a warrenty.

Why do you think DC no longer has the 7/70 plan, just the 6/60 now?
Mainly it's their JUNK transmissions!
I have to disagree as far as the quality of Chrysler's transmissions. Chrysler transmissions are very reliable if you do the transmission fluid flushes every 30,000 miles. I know lots of people that have over 200,000 miles on their original Chrysler transmission. I'd go with ATF+4 just to be safe, it is a better quality fluid with more additives such as anti-foaming which helps it last longer.
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I bought ATF +4 at autozone for like $4. I will mail you some if its that hard to find by you. I can get it at Wal-mart, lol
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Old 02-09-2006, 05:02 PM
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Ok, ATF+4 must be used in all front drive transmission 2000 and newer, ATF+3 is an older formula the has less anti-foaming additive in it and can only be used in 99 and back front drivers and the 904 rear drive transmission. Mercon V is marketed as a compatable with ATF+4 but I would not suggest using it in anything but rear wheel drive transmissions. And yes the A604 transmission is not a very rugged tranny, without correct care and proper service 100k miles is it's average life span.
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Old 02-10-2006, 04:01 AM
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Always go with the OEM specification. There is a reason for it, especially when it concerns transmisions.
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Always go with the OEM specification. There is a reason for it, especially when it concerns transmisions.
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I must admit the ATF+4 aftermarket oil is a little hardto find but it does exist and I found both Coast & Valvoline at Autozone! If you read the back of thebottle it states "ATF+4 is a Chryslerapproved product, recommended for transmissions requiring Chrysler MS-9602, ATF+, ATF+2, ATF+3, or ATF+4 " The big difference is ATF+4 is a full synthetic, AFT+3 and older are not.

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Chrysler Group Licenses its Transmission Fluid, ATF+4(R), for Retail and Commercial Usage
AUBURN HILLS, Mich., Aug. 12 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- In response to marketplace demands and evolving vehicle technology, Chrysler Group has established a licensing program for its advanced synthetic Automatic Transmission Fluid, ATF+4(R). This program will allow ATF+4 to be made available at retail outlets and through independent repair facilities for Chrysler, Jeep(R) and Dodge vehicle automatic transmissions, beginning September 1, 2005.
A first in the industry, Chrysler Group chose to work with the Lubrizol Corporation to develop a transmission fluid that sets new standards of performance in the marketplace and provides significant reduction in component wear. This technology also offers superior temperature performance, providing consistent shift quality and exceptional friction modifying properties. The durability of ATF+4 has been successfully proven through more than one million miles of testing in severe environments and an intensive Chrysler Group validation process.
ATF+4 will be implemented through issuance of licenses to major and independent oil companies. Each blender and re-brander involved in the production and sale of ATF+4 will be licensed, facility accredited and periodically market-sampled to ensure consistent quality. Its quality level will be closely monitored by the Center for Quality Assurance, through each step in the fluid's progress from license through commercialization.
"The benefits of licensing our ATF+4 product will allow the millions of Chrysler Group owners with vehicles still on the road to receive transmission fluid that is designed exactly for their vehicle," said Dennis Florkowski, Chrysler Group Senior Specialist/Supervisor - Chrysler Fluids Group. "Using ATF+4 ensures a longer transmission life with regular servicing as described in the vehicle owner's manual."
ATF+4 is approved for use in older transmissions and will be utilized in all future Chrysler Group vehicles. The previous MOPAR ATF+3 formulation will be discontinued and ATF+4 is recommended for all transmissions filled with ATF+3.
Only certified ATF+4 is recommended for service of Chrysler Group vehicles. The use of automatic transmission fluids other than ATF+4, including those claiming to be like ATF+4, could result in lower levels of performance and jeopardize transmission life.
The ATF+4 licensing program will be initiated in North America and subsequently expand worldwide. Program license and administration will be managed by the Center for Quality Assurance, located in Midland, Michigan.
The ATF+4 Automatic Transmission Fluid formulation is exclusive to DaimlerChrysler and ATF+4(R) is a registered trademark of DaimlerChrysler Corporation.
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Default RE: ATF+3 verses ATF+4

I know some of you will think that I am just saying this because I work at a dealer, But I am saying this out of experience. Never use anything but Mopar ATF+4. I have seen the ones that claim to be substitutes, but I have seen these substitutes cause poor performance. I am not saying that there are not others that will work. But why trust a major components life to using the wrong chemical...Just my 2 cents.....
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