So Cumminalong, back to the other half of this topic. Sounds like you've gotta have an opinion. Should we let the gays serve without "Don't ask don't tell?"
I do have an opinion and it's this.
When bullets start flying I don't give a F what you do in your personal time. As long as you put the bullets the right way.
Last time I checked there were no gay or straight seeking bullets.
Do I support that lifestyle? No.
Do I give a crap so long as you don't make a pass at me? No.
Will I give a crap if you make a pass at me? Yeah!
I look at it like this, harassment is harassment, no matter what the form. I won't tolerate from it either side. Just don't even think about showing up at a unit party with your boy toy. THEN I'd have issues.
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So Cumminalong, back to the other half of this topic. Sounds like you've gotta have an opinion. Should we let the gays serve without "Don't ask don't tell?"
I do have an opinion and it's this.
When bullets start flying I don't give a F what you do in your personal time. As long as you put the bullets the right way.
Last time I checked there were no gay or straight seeking bullets.
Do I support that lifestyle? No.
Do I give a crap so long as you don't make a pass at me? No.
Will I give a crap if you make a pass at me? Yeah!
I look at it like this, harassment is harassment, no matter what the form. I won't tolerate from it either side. Just don't even think about showing up at a unit party with your boy toy. THEN I'd have issues.
+1
and no damn flamers...never served with any, but i've worked with a few and just can't take it.
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Hey, I've got a feeling your a good looking fella, just takeany passas a compliment.
I had a few gays in my unit, could have cared less. Truth of the matter is,my perception,they volunteered for extra duties more often then the guy/gal withkids and a wife/husband at home.
That is not to say they didn't have someone at home who cared, it just seemed to be easier for them to commit to some urgent duty.
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drew and cummin, if yer gonna quote me, make sure yall read what I wrote, cannon fodder=11 Bravo and no you dont need brains for that, I said can't imagine a college boy listening to an E5.
And yes the military still goes after the poor, young and dumb go together.
The military is really hurting on making its numbers so theyll take about anyone.
Now for my first statement about a college boy, hopefully he goes ocs as the pay is a lot better, but I truely can't see someone college educated blindly listened to an e5 like yer normal private would. My buddy made e5 in 3 years in the corps. I'm not saying ncos or senior NCOs are stupid by any means.
Second statement about wealth, most rich kids aren't gonna enlist, too busy going to Europe or wanting to get college done so they can get a job through daddy.
Third statement, and I'm sure cumminalong will have more insight on this one, but as for my you and dumb comment, if the min enlistment age was 25 you obviously have very low recruit numbers, but they won't be too scared of a DI, what you want me to stand on these stupid yellow feet? I'm close enough. They wouldn't put up with the "breakdown" process, my bed is neat, my locker looks fine, what's wrong with your voice sir?
Now I'm not talking about people that sit out of the action behind a computer or any other tech field, of course they're gonna take bright applicants, you can get great training.
Oh and for the original poster, how would eliminating dont ask dont tell increase recruitment? Maybe I read it wrong, but if they get rid of it, and kick out all the fudge packers that would reduce numbers.
Actually this is talking about getting rid of "Don't ask Don't tell" letting gays serve openly. I think every one who has served in the military knows there are already gays in the military. The military still kicks a lot of gays out even during the so called time of war. And the Policy keeps a lot of gays from signing up in the first place. We will just let that fudge packer comment go
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Oh and for the original poster, how would eliminating dont ask dont tell increase recruitment? Maybe I read it wrong, but if they get rid of it, and kick out all the fudge packers that would reduce numbers.
it'll prolly cause more issues in peace time, but when it counts there shouldn't be any issues, ive worked with gays, dont agree with the lifestyle, but to each their own.
drew and cummin, if yer gonna quote me, make sure yall read what I wrote, cannon fodder=11 Bravo and no you dont need brains for that, I said can't imagine a college boy listening to an E5.
Well, again, that's a pretty broad, blanket statement that I'm gonna sayis a serious misconception there.
What do you think my MOS is?
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I certainly don't consider myself stupid and consider myself even less to be cannon fodder. Some of the smartest people you will meet are infantry guys. Why? Because we are one of the few MOS's that require you to actually THINK about what you are doing. Most of the tech jobs, all you have to do is follow the 10th grade level manual, which breaks it down by the numbers and you'll be just fine.
Quite honestly, kids that you get out of college come in two flavors.....they are either really squared away because they do have brain or they are a complete pain in the ass because they THINK they know everything because they have a piece of paper. It's called attitude without experience.
A degree doesn't do you jack in the military and has nearly nothing to do with your job in all but a few of the specialties.
Look at a good majority of the officers in the military and look at what their degree is. Now, tell me WTF that degree has anything to do with their specialty. Most of the time, NOTHING.
I'm all for bettering yourself educationally, but to think that because you hold a piece of paper in your hand that you are magically ABOVE someone else who has experience is rather ignorant.
If someone wants to be recognized for their degree, then I suggest staying in the civilian world. Hell, my wife is a Wildlife Biologist working on her PhD......you know what, she has the common sense of a chicken sometimes. Book smart like you wouldn't believe, IN HER GIVEN AREA, but outside that it's a different story.
A degree means one thing.......you went to college, that's all. So did I, it's not something I flaunt. And for all the money in the world, you couldn't pay me to be an officer. I've turned down going to OCS from several different commands. Why? Because I enjoy taking care of troops. I'm good at it and I haven't lost anybody yet.
drew and cummin, if yer gonna quote me, make sure yall read what I wrote. . . . . . . .
oh I read what you wrote, and what you fail to comprehend is even the 11 bang bangs need to have some smarts about them cause their job is not 100% behind the trigger or as you said. . .cannon fodder. they have to know how to operate one of the most complex radio systems known to man, understand how to use possition guidance systems, then on top of that know how to dissassemble every weapon system in the military arsenal.
the crack heads you are refering to wont even make it past week 2 of basic, and most are weeded out in the reception station due to the presence of drugs in their system cause they decided to get high on their last night of 'freedom'.
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I don't think she meant it that way brother. The 3 years I was on the trail, 01 - 04, you really saw an increase in the number of waivers that were making it through to us. A Cat IV is really anyone that needs multiple waivers for whatever reason.....education, moral issues, medical, whatever.
Here's the way I saw it and this always went in cycles. It was like clockwork.....
The kids you got from May - Oct, regardless of background seemed to do much better overall. I attribute this to kids that made up their mind, right after school (high school / college / whatever) and said this is what I'm gonna do. They were determined, knew what they wanted and were ready to go.
Now, on the other hand, the ones that we always had more issues with were the ones that came in from about Dec - Apr. These were the ones that wanted to take a "break" after high school or college, took one semester of school and decided they didn't like it, were still living at home with mom and dad, whatever. These kids always presented more of a disciplinary issue that others and they also seemd to have a higher percentage of Cat IV's.
I got to the point that within about 72 hrs, I knew who wasn't gonna make it. You can just tell. It's the attitude, the condition, the mentality, the general confidence they have. It all paints a picture and it's like painting by numbers.
It's all the factors that add up, not just one thing. Nobody's perfect.
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NO I did not mean that a GED was a bad thing. I have a ton of people in my life that have GED's. It at shows a willingness to finish something. HS isn't for everyone ~ hence the reason we have a GED system. Life happens to us all and for some it just happens sooner.
All I meant was that the military already has systems in place for accepting HS diplomas, GED, college degrees and ways to get wavers for everything else.
I didn't think ya meant anything bad, just maybe thought you were generalizing. Didn't mean to jump the gun there.
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