Auto workers protest outside show over Delphi demands

[nickoman01]

ORIGINAL: Dodgeramman I have to throw my 2 cents in, but first just to let you know I am the VP of our local chapter of the NYSUT (New York State United Teachers). As far as companies moving overseas goes. Western NY once one of the biggest industrial areas in the country, has been killed by it . Bethlehem Steel once one of the biggest steel producers in the US in South Buffalo GONE, Brown Shoe Company in Gowanda GONE, Peter Copper Glue in Gowanda GONE, Delphi Lockport soon to be GONE, GM powertrain in North Tonawanda might be Gone, just to name a few. All these jobs GONE, why so those chair sitting golf playing SOB's can make it look like they are saving money so they can line their own pockets. Lets see them lose their job and have to take a $9.50/hr job and support a family. Know as far as Unions go I bet you don't have any problems when it comes to not working on Labor day do you!! If it where not for the Unions then everyone in this country would still be making .50 a day. If you don't want to live in a Country that you can work for $20+ dollars an hour (because of the unions)the go else where!! If your are in a union that you are not happy with Put Up or Shut Up get involved and get into an office!!! VOTE AGAINST UNION

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[SHAPman]

ORIGINAL: 97 3.5 Intrepid

So all jobs are going overseas are they? I guess this doesn't exist in your mind. http://www.aiada.org/article.asp?id=20509 or how about the Chrysler plant in St. Louis which is going to expand their building capacity of vehicles for VW. It is not all bad news. You need to look at this. History has shown us that just because a few companies have problems and have to downsize, lower wages, or ship jobs over sea does not mean that a superpower will suddenly turn into a third world country. Look at the where the U.S. has benefited from trading, GM is very popular in China and is making a profit. These things work out for the best in the long run. We have been sending higher paying jobs over seas for years. We have purchased electronics first from Japan then China and other Asian countries for decades and the country still came out on top. When these other countries get jobs from us and get money they spend it on goods that come from the U.S.

You think our country is in bad shape despite the fact that we have an unemployment rate ranging around 4.9 percent which is much lower than other countries, despite the fact that the Dow Jones hit the 11,000 mark, despite the fact that people keep purchasing more expensive, superior goods, and living in nicer house.

jgralka, an office job is not as easy as you might believe. For example, my father has an "office job" but he has to travel around for his job. He has to deal with morons who keep cancelling their appointments, don't show up for their appointments, don't keep their records together, keep changing their information for him to process, and that is just the clients. He had to deal with two employees who had the same job as him (except for the managing role that he has) who were leaching off the company, had to correct their mistakes and catch them on stealing the company's money, using up the superplus income he and one other employee were making and then some for fiften years, had to go through the very difficult procedure to get them fired (he was their superior), and as a result has to pick up the clients that they didn't steal from the company, which means more work for him. He get up at 6:00 or earlier and doesn't get to bed until 12:00 on good nights. He gets no weekends off and was lucky to get a mere four days off for Christmas. He has to deal with lawyers, the IRS, and other people that make life miserable, phone calls at home, even during meal times. He has to look through his client's recorded information to make sure they are not lying or else his client, the company he works for, and he himself could get into legal trouble if their is a slight error. He has to rush everywhere to get things done in time. He has trouble sleeping because of the mental stress it causes him. He has been cheated already once with his retirement plan. He has two brothers that work in factories and he has just as many medical problems as them. He grew up working on a farm so he has an idea of what manual labor is like.

Having to deal with people who do not cooperate as clients, fellow workers, and people above him is difficult and stressful, and even more so when their is a screw up on the other person's part that you have little control over but it can cost you your job for someone elses mistake. He has to try and bring a company that has been heading downhill for years back up or else everyone loses their job. Does that actually sound easy or non-stressful to you? You didn't pay for an education for those 4 years, which is considerably high considering how much these universities gouge the students, even with multiple scholarships. You need to understand that the reason why people with degrees get paid higher is because they are wanted more than people with just a high school education. The companies want people with degrees is because they believe that they are more qualified (whether or not the person really is a better worker). People with degrees have special skills that you might not have that are needed for the job. This is the way the employers look at it. My father gets the income that he gets because he works long hours at a job that requires a college education, not because he is involved with a group of people that will strike if they are not happy with the way things are going for them. You don't have to like the fact that people with degrees traditionally get a higher paying job and it appears to be easier, but that is the way things work out in a free enterprise system. If you hate your job and want a office job, then go to college, I'm going to warn you though that it isn't as easy as you think. I have been to automotive factories while they were building vehicles to keep the record straight. Something to think about. Why should I go to college if there wasn't better pay, benefits, and a better working environment, when I have to pay high prices for tuition, books, room and board, scarifice 4 years of pay, listen to these arrogant professors get off the topic and yap about their opinions about the world with me paying their salary, and other different sacrifices?

Every job has its pitfalls. Like I said I chose my career path, as did your dad. I never said your dad was overpaid. You said that I was. I'm sure your dad does his job well and gets paid accordingly. Do you have any idea how hard it is to strike? You don't get paid when you go out on strike. People have lost homes and families due to the sacrifice of striking. We don't strike on whim, or over frivolous things. That is a last resort.

What I do find funny is that you used st. louis as an example as to jobs being created. Nevermind the fact that Chrysler has laid off, almost 5000 people in the last 12 months, and more are still coming. Also over the last 3 years we have lost over 25000 jobs at Chrysler. Why? Mainly outsourcing. So dc probably is not a real good example for you.


Joe

[deranged]

Hell that fixed everything right there Nick! I'm outta here. You seem to have it all figured out.[sm=forgetit.gif]