it is also my understanding that it will be as expensive as the current gas prices?
Actually no. It is the same price now as current gas. Once they start producing more, and more and more people start using it, the price should go down.
many very high-performance, forced induction cars run on methanol, as it burns much cooler..however, everything in the fuel delivery system has to be upgraded to all stainless...i would imagine that if you used the same upgraded items, it would just be a matter of having the proper compression to run the e85 for performance?
From that site in the FAQ
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There is only one major additional part that is included on an FFV - the fuel sensor that detects the ethanol/gasoline ratio. A number of other parts on the FFV's fuel delivery system are modified so that they are ethanol compatible. The fuel tank, fuel lines, fuel injectors, computer system, anti-siphon device and dashboard gauges have been modified slightly. Alcohols are corrosive. Therefore, any part that comes in contact with the fuel has been upgraded to be tolerant to alcohol. Normally, these parts include a stainless steel fuel tank and Teflon-lined fuel hoses.
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it is also my understanding that it will be as expensive as the current gas prices?
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Typically, E85 is priced to be competitive with 87-octane gasoline. E85 should be less expensive than regular unleaded fuel; however, the cost of ethanol is very high at this time. The blender of record receives a tax credit on every gallon of ethanol he/she purchases thus being able to pass that savings along to his retailer who we hope pass that savings along to the customer. Unfortunately, the NEVC can not enforce a retailer to price the fuel.
Notice it says, at this time. Remember this is fairly new. If they start doing more production, they will find better methods and better technology that will bring the price down on rifining the stuff
but, with it costing so much now, whats to say that it wont just follow the gas pricing trends, and the producers of the e85 will simply cite the gas price as the reason for their price?
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That is always a possibility that can happen, but hopefully there can be more competition to help out. One thing they won't be able to say is that there isn't enough crude to go around since it is made of vegetation. Corn is what they are saying they will use, but that is not the only source they can harvest from.
I'm sure that corn based ethanol will be the cornerstone of the ethanol industry in the U.S. Unless you live in corn country you probably don't realize how much is produced. It is a staggering amount! The only thing about a corn based ethanol market is that in years of drought there would be shortages like we supposedly have now in the oil industry. As far as winter production goes, a large part of the corn crop now sits in storage in the winter and is sold off when the market prices are more favorable.
I agree that as production is ramped up that prices will drop and should beat straight gasoline once refinement is made more efficient. Most importantly the $$$$$$$ will stay here and not go to some raghead with an RPG on his shoulder. Sorry for being politically incorrect but at this point I'm just fed up with the current state of involvment with countries that smile and shake our hand while holding nothing but contempt for us. But I digress.
I recently saw a story about Brazil I believe it was and their ethanol industry. It is based on sugar cane and by the end of this year they will be energy independent because the government had the forsight during the 70's oil crisis to promote research and development of the ethanol industry there.
it is also my understanding that it will be as expensive as the current gas prices?
Actually no. It is the same price now as current gas. Once they start producing more, and more and more people start using it, the price should go down.
Like Diesel? Remember when Diesel was so damn cheap, and now that more people use it, the price went higher than 92/93 gas. I'm not saying that it wouldn't, but the chances, as we seem to see, might have a reverse affect.
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RE: E-85 pros and cons
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