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OK I'm not too informed on this E-85 stuff. I would like to know what vehicles will run on this blend of fuel. Is it just the ones currently being produced for this purpose or can gasoline fueled vehicles of any type run on it? This is 85% ethanol-correct? What are the advantages and disadvantages of E-85? I've heard that it typically returns less mpg because it burns at a lower BTU than gasoline and thus creates less power. Help me to understand it better please!. I'm too lazy to do the research today.
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There is a site that lists these answers http://www.e85fuel.com/index.php

You can't just use it in any car, It has to be made to use the stuff. I big benifit is that it is biodegradable, so you don't polute the air and any that leaks out that get on the ground doesn't polute the water or ground. Another added benifit, Once they get this going, there is a bountiful of resource. Since it is harvested from vegetation. And will get cheaper by the gallon once it becomes more common. Don't need to rely on foreign markets for oil. Will still need some for that 15%. Negatives would be that you would need to get a car that has been made for this. They say you can convert one, but it would cost way to much to do so at this time. But who knows, someone may come out with a conversion for cheaper if this ever gets more popular.

Also would like to add, it will create alot of jobs on the farming area and process plants.
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can you run a high performance car on it?
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Thanks techmanbd. Very informative. That answers alot of my questions and I didn't realize that flex vehicles had been in production for this long and that DCX had that many. I should have already done some study on this since I'm right in the middle of corn country.
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There is a site that lists these answers http://www.e85fuel.com/index.php

You can't just use it in any car, It has to be made to use the stuff. I big benifit is that it is biodegradable, so you don't polute the air and any that leaks out that get on the ground doesn't polute the water or ground. Another added benifit, Once they get this going, there is a bountiful of resource. Since it is harvested from vegetation. And will get cheaper by the gallon once it becomes more common. Don't need to rely on foreign markets for oil. Will still need some for that 15%. Negatives would be that you would need to get a car that has been made for this. They say you can convert one, but it would cost way to much to do so at this time. But who knows, someone may come out with a conversion for cheaper if this ever gets more popular.

Also would like to add, it will create alot of jobs on the farming area and process plants.
Yeah, its being pushed here alot, mainly due to Iowa being one of the biggest corn producing states, it will create tons of jobs,; not only for farmers, but the factories that make it. I am big on this ethanol thing, not only because its made here in Iowa, but the fact that its a safer product. Now I'm not against straight gas, but with it getting higher in price; we need another resource. We've (Iowa) been using 10% ethanol fuel for years, and it is always 10 cents cheaper than regular.
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can you run a high performance car on it?
nope I don't believe so. From what I have read, one thing about the ethenal is for cars that are not made for this, it eats away at the fuel system. hoses, tanks, and so on. I have ot read more on this though. Because I am sure there is more to it than just the fuel system, but possibly the air/fuel delivery has some differences as well.
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I don't like Ethanol, it's being pushed because it looks really good for farmers. When you look at an energy breakdown from planting, raising, harvesting, and processing the stuff takes a LOT more energy to make than come out of it. Methanol is the way to go, can be refined from waste products, biomass, and a few other sources. Very little conversion for current vehicles to run on it, normal vehicle gets 1/2 the mileage, but an engine optimized for it gets nearly twice the power output.
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many very high-performance, forced induction cars run on methanol, as it burns much cooler..however, everything in the fuel delivery system has to be upgraded to all stainless...i would imagine that if you used the same upgraded items, it would just be a matter of having the proper compression to run the e85 for performance?
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The only con I see is I don't think the Major gas co. are going to allow it to be sold at their gas stations. Other then that’s it's by far the best solution to our oil problem, and there’s no reason the government shouldn't push it harder then it does. Heck if the government would have its car and trucks run on it, the E85 and conversion price would go down a ton. Plus at 105 octane the performance factor is much, much better. I would love to see E85 become commonplace but lets be real, the oil companies own our government so this is going to be a hard fight. Plus making more jobs in America is not high priority either.
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it is also my understanding that it will be as expensive as the current gas prices?
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