When I was in high school late 80's, there was a zero tolerance for violence, if so much as a fist fight broke out and there were injuries the cops were called. Recently guns in schools became a common thing down state (that's one of the reasons I moved the family up here) those kids are arrested and tried as adults. The way I see it if you think your grown up enough to carry a gun, then you should expect "grown up" consequences when caught.
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When I was in high school late 80's, there was a zero tolerance for violence, if so much as a fist fight broke out and there were injuries the cops were called. Recently guns in schools became a common thing down state (that's one of the reasons I moved the family up here) those kids are arrested and tried as adults. The way I see it if you think your grown up enough to carry a gun, then you should expect "grown up" consequences when caught.
Prosecuting them as adults makes sense to me, I never liked the zero tolerance thing though. We had that at my high school and if somebody started beating the crap out of you you were supposed to let them, if you defended yourself you'd be getting in a whole bunch of **** too. I don't care what anyone says someone attacks me I'm not going to stand there and let them continue, I'll make sure they regret it or at the very least feel it the next day.
I started to say crap like this is caused by parents/teachers not being allowed to beat the hell outta kids these days, but some of those kids probably get the the hell kicked out of 'em at home for no good reason.
Still, seems to be too much letting kids run amuck these days, and not enough good old fashioned ass blistering. Punching a kid in the mouth is one thing, wearing their ass out with a belt at home, or a paddle at school is something else. What a kid learns about proper conduct starts with good examples of right and wrong at a young age. Rewards and love for good, ass blisterings for bad. Simple concept. Even then, apparently good kids go bat**** sometimes. You know anything about the kid or his home life Strat? Crackhead parents etc?
Regardless, he commited attempted armed robbery and other crimes, so he should pay the price. $5 says going to jail ain't gonna teach him anything though.
It's hard for me to grasp how some kids are thinking these days. I hated school passionately ,got in fights 2-3 times a week, usually got the worst of it lol. But I never remotely considered shooting anybody.
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Prosecuting them as adults makes sense to me, I never liked the zero tolerance thing though. We had that at my high school and if somebody started beating the crap out of you you were supposed to let them, if you defended yourself you'd be getting in a whole bunch of **** too. I don't care what anyone says someone attacks me I'm not going to stand there and let them continue, I'll make sure they regret it or at the very least feel it the next day.
Yeah, zero tolerance is bullsh!t. You can't have a "one size fits all" punishment, that's why courts have judges for sentencing trials, so each is handled on a case by case basis. Under zero tolerance, if some kid is being hazed and bullied by other kids, and he punches one to get them off him (self defense), he's the one hauled off in handcuffs, not the douchebags that did it to him. It's ludicrous to expect a kid not to defend himself if attacked. And it only applies to school. That same kid could be at home on the weekend, someone breaks into his house, the kid gets his parents gun, shoots the intruder, and it's justifiable homicide, self defense. God help him if he defends himself at school
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That was the problem I have and still do about zero tolerance, all through out high school I was 5'5" and about 100#s soaking wet, I was always a target for bullies, I got smart about it, when I was confronted by them I would taunt them to hit me, they never did, but if they did they would have been the ones throwing the first punch, and being taken away.
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maybe its because i'm from a small high school in a small town, but most of us got our first guns when we were 14, in time to hunt, and my school offers trap shooting as a sport, so most of us are expected to know how to respect a gun at a young age. the kind of kids who pull a gun on someone in a school in a big city are the kind who get their asses kicked in ours.... which brings me to that part of the convo, our principle usually lets it go for a few rounds.
i'm vert pro-guns, and i think the kid shoud be tried as an adult, cause i kno that if i were still 16, and pulled stupid sh*t like that, i'd be punished as one
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