Transmission-> OD not working and now no gears working
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Transmission-> OD not working and now no gears working
Hello everyone. People here have been so helpful in the past that this is now the first place I go to for advice
I am sure someone has seen this before. I'll try to give as much detail as possible to help figure out what the problem is.
Okay, here we go.
First, I noticed that the truck will not start in 1st gear, it wants to limp from 2nd gear. Usually, I have no problems but yesterday, it popped out of overdrive (the OD Off light came on and it downshifted to third). So, I tried to get off the freeway and then the "Trans Temp" light came on.
After is sat and cooled down, it started working again...but after about 20 miles, it came out of overdrive again. I was able to limp home around 35mph.
I figured it was an output speed sensor or throttle position sensor. So, I figured driving today and keeping it under 40 would be okay. Well, after I got to my destination about 15 miles later, it made clunking sounds when down-shifting. It upshifted fine...somtimes it would start out in 1st gear but when it did, it wouldn't shift into 2nd year until high RPMs.
And, on the way home, it started slipping and got to the point where it won't shift or drive at all. No matter what gear (R, D, 2,1), it won't move. If I let it sit with the engine off, I can usually get enough to get it rolling a distance but then it slips out and no gears are working.
So, I checked the levels of the fluid. It is within range (although at the low end). I do not smell anything and the fluid looks like a dark red. Obviously, it needs to be changed but any idea why it would act this way?
I am not sure how hard it would be to get into the transmission as I have never done any tranny work before. So, links and photos would be helpful.
Thanks in advance
2002 Dodge Dakota 3.9L, 4x4 SLT, 194,000 miles
Additional note: P1757 and P1762 codes thrown and vehicle will roll no matter which gear the truck is in.
I am sure someone has seen this before. I'll try to give as much detail as possible to help figure out what the problem is.
Okay, here we go.
First, I noticed that the truck will not start in 1st gear, it wants to limp from 2nd gear. Usually, I have no problems but yesterday, it popped out of overdrive (the OD Off light came on and it downshifted to third). So, I tried to get off the freeway and then the "Trans Temp" light came on.
After is sat and cooled down, it started working again...but after about 20 miles, it came out of overdrive again. I was able to limp home around 35mph.
I figured it was an output speed sensor or throttle position sensor. So, I figured driving today and keeping it under 40 would be okay. Well, after I got to my destination about 15 miles later, it made clunking sounds when down-shifting. It upshifted fine...somtimes it would start out in 1st gear but when it did, it wouldn't shift into 2nd year until high RPMs.
And, on the way home, it started slipping and got to the point where it won't shift or drive at all. No matter what gear (R, D, 2,1), it won't move. If I let it sit with the engine off, I can usually get enough to get it rolling a distance but then it slips out and no gears are working.
So, I checked the levels of the fluid. It is within range (although at the low end). I do not smell anything and the fluid looks like a dark red. Obviously, it needs to be changed but any idea why it would act this way?
I am not sure how hard it would be to get into the transmission as I have never done any tranny work before. So, links and photos would be helpful.
Thanks in advance
2002 Dodge Dakota 3.9L, 4x4 SLT, 194,000 miles
Additional note: P1757 and P1762 codes thrown and vehicle will roll no matter which gear the truck is in.
Last edited by joemama1967; 05-07-2013 at 06:53 PM. Reason: Added more information
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Just take it to your nearby reputable transmission shop. Unless you've built a 727 or 904, most people don't have business playing with internals. Either you lost a pump, or you did what I did, and shelled the front drum and pump together. My rebuild was new clutches, bands, front drum, pump, torque convertor, and 5 hours labor.
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#6
likely the front pump went out, and is not supplying hydraulic pressure. Worst case, you shelled a front drum like I did, and you have chunks of metal blocking passages and tearing up pump gears. I got lucky, none of it got in the planetaries.
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Yes, I did look at the build sheet and it is the 42RE.
I have it up on ramps and will be pulling the pan.
I guess if I see a lot of metal it would be a bad thing.
I'll post what I find.
Thanks
P.S. When I fired it up, I was able to drive it up on the ramps. So, maybe the issue is when the trans gets warm.
I have it up on ramps and will be pulling the pan.
I guess if I see a lot of metal it would be a bad thing.
I'll post what I find.
Thanks
P.S. When I fired it up, I was able to drive it up on the ramps. So, maybe the issue is when the trans gets warm.
#9
Yes, I did look at the build sheet and it is the 42RE.
I have it up on ramps and will be pulling the pan.
I guess if I see a lot of metal it would be a bad thing.
I'll post what I find.
Thanks
P.S. When I fired it up, I was able to drive it up on the ramps. So, maybe the issue is when the trans gets warm.
I have it up on ramps and will be pulling the pan.
I guess if I see a lot of metal it would be a bad thing.
I'll post what I find.
Thanks
P.S. When I fired it up, I was able to drive it up on the ramps. So, maybe the issue is when the trans gets warm.
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Thanks for the help magnethead.
I believe that the pump is not easily accessible (ie, I would have to pull the trans). I hope that's not the problem as I don't really have the money to pay someone to fix it.
Is it possible to test the pump by pulling a hose and see if it pumps out fluid?
I haven't had a chance to look at it. But, my original plan (which needs to be done either way) is to change the filter and fluid. To fix the overdrive problem, I was going to swap out some solenoids and sensors. If I have to drop the pan, might as well do everything.
I believe that the pump is not easily accessible (ie, I would have to pull the trans). I hope that's not the problem as I don't really have the money to pay someone to fix it.
Is it possible to test the pump by pulling a hose and see if it pumps out fluid?
I haven't had a chance to look at it. But, my original plan (which needs to be done either way) is to change the filter and fluid. To fix the overdrive problem, I was going to swap out some solenoids and sensors. If I have to drop the pan, might as well do everything.