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Old 06-04-2010, 12:55 AM
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HeyYou for president in 2012.
You've got my vote.

And glad to hear you're keeping the truck 95RAM. It can stand to sit awhile while the more important things are handled. Just keep your head up.
 
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Old 06-04-2010, 12:58 AM
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Originally Posted by mr freeze
OK,I have tried.I have sent letters to congressmen.I always get the we understand your concern but that is not our view at this particular time.One voter doesnt make a difference.A million voters does not make a difference.This is not a democracy.It is a republic and slowing becoming socialist.If it were a democracy wouldnt the people be allowed to vote on important issues and not have lobbyist buying votes and bribes to state senators?
I dont lead men in combat.I lead men at work and they follow me because I set a example for them to follow and I give orders that make sense.They dont do anything I wouldnt do or that I think is not safe.I will challenge my boss or any other superior if I have doubts or concerns.
But you still havent answered my questions...why does your family deserve a house and food on the taxpayers bill even though you are the only one serving thier country while 95ram is starving to feed his family? and if the government told you to fire on american citizens because we arent taking thier crimes against us any more would you do it because this country was formed on revolution and tyranny of the British government so anything is possible.I await your answer and you can have the last word.
Do you seriously not think that those that are sitting at home, while their significant other is in a combat zone are 'doing nothing'?

The government pays for that house, regardless of who is living there. Do you stop paying your bills when you go on vacation? Should someone else move into your house while you are gone?

Or what about your family? If you go out of state for a job, or whatever, should you not pay the bills on your house?

Married service members living on base is nothing new under the sun. The house itself is provided (or apartment, or townhouse, or whathaveyou), and some places provide heat, and electricity. However, the folks living there have to pay for food, phone, cable tv, or what ever other luxuries they decide to have. The government doesn't provide that for them.

And no, we don't live in a democracy. Never have. We live in a representative republic.
 

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Old 06-04-2010, 01:02 AM
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Originally Posted by mr freeze
OK,I have tried.I have sent letters to congressmen.I always get the we understand your concern but that is not our view at this particular time.One voter doesnt make a difference.A million voters does not make a difference.This is not a democracy.It is a republic and slowing becoming socialist.If it were a democracy wouldnt the people be allowed to vote on important issues and not have lobbyist buying votes and bribes to state senators?
I dont lead men in combat.I lead men at work and they follow me because I set a example for them to follow and I give orders that make sense.They dont do anything I wouldnt do or that I think is not safe.I will challenge my boss or any other superior if I have doubts or concerns.
But you still havent answered my questions...why does your family deserve a house and food on the taxpayers bill even though you are the only one serving thier country while 95ram is starving to feed his family? and if the government told you to fire on american citizens because we arent taking thier crimes against us any more would you do it because this country was formed on revolution and tyranny of the British government so anything is possible.I await your answer and you can have the last word.
you dont think we have doubts or concerns with missions we are given? we train for them and prepare, thats how we go through with our order. we have confidence in our superiors and that our training is the best it can be. we pay taxes, so therefore we pay for our BAH, BAS, etc. yes if that order was given, it would be given for a greater reason and purpose. for example, that infamous hurricane that came through in New Orleans. yes, and if i am defending myself or others and there is a threat to me, yes.
 

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Old 06-04-2010, 01:03 AM
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Originally Posted by mr freeze

Also 95ram,You could have said "Veni, vidi, vici" instead of owned but it would still be wrong.No one was.



i honestly mean no disrespect....just hoping to get people lightened up, and crack a smile
 
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Old 06-04-2010, 01:06 AM
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Originally Posted by mr freeze
OK,I have tried.I have sent letters to congressmen.I always get the we understand your concern but that is not our view at this particular time.One voter doesnt make a difference.A million voters does not make a difference.This is not a democracy.It is a republic and slowing becoming socialist.If it were a democracy wouldnt the people be allowed to vote on important issues and not have lobbyist buying votes and bribes to state senators?
I dont lead men in combat.I lead men at work and they follow me because I set a example for them to follow and I give orders that make sense.They dont do anything I wouldnt do or that I think is not safe.I will challenge my boss or any other superior if I have doubts or concerns.
But you still havent answered my questions...why does your family deserve a house and food on the taxpayers bill even though you are the only one serving thier country while 95ram is starving to feed his family? and if the government told you to fire on american citizens because we arent taking thier crimes against us any more would you do it because this country was formed on revolution and tyranny of the British government so anything is possible.I await your answer and you can have the last word.
First question:
I pay taxes too, no argument there. Do you want me to scan my W-2? I worked my *** off in HS to get into the United states military academy and get college paid for for free. No parties or girls, just grades and sports. i set goals and achieved them throughout my life. Also, I had financial difficulties when i was a single LT due to some bad financial decisions. I only had 70 dollars a month to pay for food. I lost 20 lbs and had two pieces of furniture (Couch, bed, and the TV was on top of the box it came in). I chose to pay off my debts and not risk late payments for my wants. Then i deployed and came back with 25,000 that used to pay off debts and live better.

Second question:
The last crowd that was fired on was the BONUS ARMY. They were army veterans and threatened to storm the white house and were ARMED. So they were no strangers to gunfire. That is a stupid question, because that is like saying "If your employees didn't like you and threatened to storm your house and kidnap your family, would you shoot them?"

We would first be called in as a show of force and if they advanced...YES, i would shoot them. Because in order to shoot them, they would need to be ARMED and be willing to KILL ME. So Yes, I would choose to shoot them before they shot me. Point a gun at me, and you will probably lose. Because I have shot at soft targets before and I don't have that hesitation to fire a shot out of fear or anger to preserve my life. If they were not armed, then NO. Because that is unconstitutional, and every service member has swore an OATH TO the CONSTITUTION. Firing onto unarmed civilians is a war crime, and not a LAWFUL order. But if you are armed, then you are a combatant. Something you would not have the stones to ever do. Why are you worried, you would not be one of the guys in the crowd, you would be a spectator. Then probably complain.

Writing a letter. So, you stated that you already know that writing a letter serves no point. So what you did was really not even that courageous.

What have you ACTIVELY done to change the way government is led? Have you tried running for office? If I can work my *** off to get college paid for, get through college, and successfully lead some of the bravest young men in the country. Then surely, someone with your historic expertise and great leadership can win an election for councilman.
 

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Old 06-04-2010, 01:18 AM
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Originally Posted by mr freeze
I await your answer and you can have the last word.

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I don't want the last word. i want to talk this through. If you just cut and run you are just like the government when an argument gets heated and a decision cannot be made (passing a bill through congress).

But it does not surprise me that you want to cut and un. You are not prepared or mature enough to have an open mind. You want to stick to your guns until death. Much like the extreme left and extreme right.

ALSO, you have to petition congress to go to war, AND TO PULL OUT OF WAR. If president Bush walked on the congressional floor in january 2008 (when congress was crying alligator tears for pushing the 25B supplemental budget though so the troops can get better armor) and said, "OK, I want every available Air Force asset to take all the soldiers out of Iraq in the next 90 days." Congress would have wiped those tears and said, "WHoa...then all my constituents making armor in Natick Mass, or steel mills in Pennsylvania would lose money!!! We need to stay there!!!"

If President Bush called their bluff, it would have been EPIC. Ever wonder why President Obama has not withdrawn all the troops? Same reason. No one really wants to.

Ever hear the saying, "Want to get out of a depression...START A WAR."
WWII got us out of the great depression.
 
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Old 06-04-2010, 01:41 AM
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You still did not answer the first question.Why does your family deserve a house and food on taxpayer dollars when 95ram or any other civilian out here has to pay taxes,buy his own food,and pay his own mortgage out of their pay check?? How about we find out how much our government is paying for housing for military families and see how much that is costing us? Why do we have to pay for ours and you get it for free?? I'm not looking for a handout.I'm doing ok.I dont have kids or a wife and I get killed on taxes and it burns my *** to see people getting handouts,free healthcare,just because they have a family or an unwed mother popping babies out like a pez dispenser.

And if you think this country is so great and the wars we have fought so just.Explain Korea,we fight against communism,the big red scare and now we are in debt to the biggest communist country in the world.These are the people you swore to die for and listen to them unflinchingly.

Bush didnt pull us out because of money for his rich buddies at Haliburton.Obama wont pull us out because he doesnt want to be the loser that quit.So American lifes are being wasted in Iraq not mention billions of dollars.And Al-quida wasnt in Iraq till we got there and now they have found some "soft targets" to attack.The American government sticks its nose in everyones business which is why we have all these problems.

And as for firing on American citizens,I would never do it(unless they broke into my house).I would set my gun and not leave my barracks and take the punishment but I wouldnt take a life of person who the government has already taken everything else from.To be to that extent this country would be irredeemable and not worth defending.

Last post for me.I'll await my ban tomorrow and follow yakkier and miami off into the sunset.
 
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Old 06-04-2010, 01:47 AM
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yeah, we should just be a country without an Army. Save tax dollars. While we are at it, we should stop subsidizing food. Let the farmers starve, and let a head of lettuce cost 10 dollars. Also, lets stop public school. If parents really cared, they would home school their kids.

And what are you worried about being shot by armed troops. You don't have the stones to pick up a weapon and stand up to the government. You are too busy writing letters.

So, you would do it if they broke into your house...self preservation. I would do it if they got me in their crosshairs. Self preservation.

And I think that everyone hates it when women mistake their vagina for a clown car. so we agree on that one.
 
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why would you get banned because you disagree with us? thats not a reason to get banned. i mean **** you are in left field on some views but hey, thats your opinion.

i think you need to understand how BAH and BAS works before you start saying we get it for "free" or how yall tax payers pay for it but we don't...do you understand how it works enlisted/officer, single/married? until you understand that you can't have a valid argument on this topic.
 
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Mr freeze,

I don't think it is noble of you to use someone's financial plight as a cornerstone of your argument. At least i offered him some informed advice. You are just using him and his situation for your own agenda.
 


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