Blue Smoke at Sartup
#11
Would I be guessing correct to say the dealer is still doing your oil changes? If so, I would look into the oil level. I had the blue smoke issues with my 2011 R/T. I happen to notice that it stopped doing it after I ran out of free oil changes and started changing it myself. When I bought the vehicle I had the free oil changes and fought with the blue smoke on start up. After the free oil changes ran out and I started performing the oil changes and adding 7 quarts of oil I realized that the "ADD" mark on the dipstick is actually the 7 qt full level of the engine with the vehicle setting level and a new Mopar filter. I also realized that when it was filled with 7 quarts, and not to the "full" mark, I no longer had the blue smoke at start up. Around the time I figured this out Dodge released TSB 09-002-13 BLUE SMOKE FROM EXHAUST ON INITIAL START-UP WHEN PARKED FACING UPHILL ON AN INCLINE (5.7L). I chose not to have it done because I had alleviated the blue smoke issue and did not want to take a chance of the new oil pan leaking. A couple years later Dodge released TSB 09-010-15 (Incorrect 5.7L Engine Oil Dipstick) which I think should include the 2011 model, but it does not. Even though the dip stick shows it at the "ADD" mark, it is in fact 7 quarts. They were overfilling my engine, and I wonder if that is your issue too. Good luck.
#12
mine does it
My 2015 RT will make a puff of blue smoke on startup if it's at just the right angle. I very rarely park just the right way for it to happen. I bought it used with 30,000 miles and have seen it maybe 10 times now by 60,000 miles. I have not been too concerned since it happens so infrequently and briefly.
#13
What kind of oil are you/dealer using? I own a 2008 Charger, 2011 Durango, and 2016 RAM - all with the 5.7 HEMI - the blue smoke occurs because the PCV system dumps vaporized oil into the intake for emissions control. When you drive and park normally, the last of the vaporized oil collects/condenses on the runners for the intake manifold. If you park on a decline, the prior condensed oil and the freshly condensing oil amounts to enough to dribble off the runner and into the valve area. When you come along and start the vehicle, that 'puddle' of liquid oil is ingested into the cylinder and is burned off and released as blue smoke through the exhaust. I have a catch can on my Charger (which produced smoke) and not on my other two. We used to back into our inclined driveway and the Durango would produce the blue cloud too.
This has all gotten better now that I use full synthetic oils (less vaporization and collection in the intake) and I also don't have to park on the decline any more. I bet if you start using a better oil, do your own changes, and make sure that only 7 qts of oil are in the engine, you will be able to eliminate this from occurring. It is only cosmetic, but I understand it looks like your $40k vehicle is a hooptie.
This has all gotten better now that I use full synthetic oils (less vaporization and collection in the intake) and I also don't have to park on the decline any more. I bet if you start using a better oil, do your own changes, and make sure that only 7 qts of oil are in the engine, you will be able to eliminate this from occurring. It is only cosmetic, but I understand it looks like your $40k vehicle is a hooptie.
#14
From the OP: "I have brought it to the attention of the dealer and they are saying it is normal." I hate it when they say that. How to convince them it is not normal?
How much of an incline? How much blue smoke is seen? Did the OP stand behind the vehicle and see smoke pouring out? Does it happen every time it it parked on the incline?
My R/T never did this, but I seldom parked on a "steep" incline. My 6.4 did this occasionally - very occasionally - when it was new but it wasn't a "lot" of smoke and it stopped after 5000 miles.. It may not be normal but it may not be a bad thing either. Pooling of oil in the intake is the probable cause...or not. Try a different dealer.
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How much of an incline? How much blue smoke is seen? Did the OP stand behind the vehicle and see smoke pouring out? Does it happen every time it it parked on the incline?
My R/T never did this, but I seldom parked on a "steep" incline. My 6.4 did this occasionally - very occasionally - when it was new but it wasn't a "lot" of smoke and it stopped after 5000 miles.. It may not be normal but it may not be a bad thing either. Pooling of oil in the intake is the probable cause...or not. Try a different dealer.
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Did the OP stand behind the vehicle and see smoke pouring out? - No I was not standing behind the vehicle. I saw the smoke coming out while looking at the side mirrors
Does it happen every time it it parked on the incline? - It only happens when it is parked at an incline facing forward. It does not happen if it parked at an incline facing the street which is what I have been doing. Additionally it happens if is parked for an extended period of time (over 4-5 hours).
I should point out that prior to the Durango I had a Chrysler Aspen with the 5.7L Hemi and it never emitted smoke ever and no matter how it was parked. So I think it is not normal.
I have a good relationship with the dealer and they have asked me to bring the Durango back once I have reached 3,000 miles. To you point, maybe it will stop just like what you experienced.
#15
Would I be guessing correct to say the dealer is still doing your oil changes? If so, I would look into the oil level. I had the blue smoke issues with my 2011 R/T. I happen to notice that it stopped doing it after I ran out of free oil changes and started changing it myself. When I bought the vehicle I had the free oil changes and fought with the blue smoke on start up. After the free oil changes ran out and I started performing the oil changes and adding 7 quarts of oil I realized that the "ADD" mark on the dipstick is actually the 7 qt full level of the engine with the vehicle setting level and a new Mopar filter. I also realized that when it was filled with 7 quarts, and not to the "full" mark, I no longer had the blue smoke at start up. Around the time I figured this out Dodge released TSB 09-002-13 BLUE SMOKE FROM EXHAUST ON INITIAL START-UP WHEN PARKED FACING UPHILL ON AN INCLINE (5.7L). I chose not to have it done because I had alleviated the blue smoke issue and did not want to take a chance of the new oil pan leaking. A couple years later Dodge released TSB 09-010-15 (Incorrect 5.7L Engine Oil Dipstick) which I think should include the 2011 model, but it does not. Even though the dip stick shows it at the "ADD" mark, it is in fact 7 quarts. They were overfilling my engine, and I wonder if that is your issue too. Good luck.
#16
What kind of oil are you/dealer using? I own a 2008 Charger, 2011 Durango, and 2016 RAM - all with the 5.7 HEMI - the blue smoke occurs because the PCV system dumps vaporized oil into the intake for emissions control. When you drive and park normally, the last of the vaporized oil collects/condenses on the runners for the intake manifold. If you park on a decline, the prior condensed oil and the freshly condensing oil amounts to enough to dribble off the runner and into the valve area. When you come along and start the vehicle, that 'puddle' of liquid oil is ingested into the cylinder and is burned off and released as blue smoke through the exhaust. I have a catch can on my Charger (which produced smoke) and not on my other two. We used to back into our inclined driveway and the Durango would produce the blue cloud too.
This has all gotten better now that I use full synthetic oils (less vaporization and collection in the intake) and I also don't have to park on the decline any more. I bet if you start using a better oil, do your own changes, and make sure that only 7 qts of oil are in the engine, you will be able to eliminate this from occurring. It is only cosmetic, but I understand it looks like your $40k vehicle is a hooptie.
This has all gotten better now that I use full synthetic oils (less vaporization and collection in the intake) and I also don't have to park on the decline any more. I bet if you start using a better oil, do your own changes, and make sure that only 7 qts of oil are in the engine, you will be able to eliminate this from occurring. It is only cosmetic, but I understand it looks like your $40k vehicle is a hooptie.
Last edited by fledda; 10-03-2017 at 09:11 PM.
#17
Blue smoke
I did have the 2014 R/T that would engulf me in a cloud of blue smoke. I posted here on this site. I was very lucky, my service manager said it wasn't normal and bent over backward to have it fixed. Dodge paid for a rental to use while they had it, about 2 weeks. I was very happy with the outcome. Long story short, had to have 2 new heads installed, there was an issue with the heads per the service manager.
Can't figure out what the big deal is for the dealers. They get reimbursed from Dodge for the warranty work.
I really loved that Hemi, but sadly I didn't have the confidence that it wouldn't or couldn't happen again, so I sold it. Now I have the G/T, 6 cyl and love it.
Can even live with the AFM turn on/off option, which I hate by the way.
Can't figure out what the big deal is for the dealers. They get reimbursed from Dodge for the warranty work.
I really loved that Hemi, but sadly I didn't have the confidence that it wouldn't or couldn't happen again, so I sold it. Now I have the G/T, 6 cyl and love it.
Can even live with the AFM turn on/off option, which I hate by the way.
#18
I did have the 2014 R/T that would engulf me in a cloud of blue smoke. I posted here on this site. I was very lucky, my service manager said it wasn't normal and bent over backward to have it fixed. Dodge paid for a rental to use while they had it, about 2 weeks. I was very happy with the outcome. Long story short, had to have 2 new heads installed, there was an issue with the heads per the service manager.
Can't figure out what the big deal is for the dealers. They get reimbursed from Dodge for the warranty work.
I really loved that Hemi, but sadly I didn't have the confidence that it wouldn't or couldn't happen again, so I sold it. Now I have the G/T, 6 cyl and love it.
Can even live with the AFM turn on/off option, which I hate by the way.
Can't figure out what the big deal is for the dealers. They get reimbursed from Dodge for the warranty work.
I really loved that Hemi, but sadly I didn't have the confidence that it wouldn't or couldn't happen again, so I sold it. Now I have the G/T, 6 cyl and love it.
Can even live with the AFM turn on/off option, which I hate by the way.
In you case was there blue smoke all the time and never went away?
#19
Only on EVERY cold start up. I have a small incline going into my garage where it parked (outside). Did notice that we had to check the oil out in our street where it was flat, if we didn't, it read it was a least a quart low. Service manager said dip stick was too short.... Compared it to the 6 cyl Durango's and found this issue.
If I had driven somewhere and turned off, like going into a store, it did not engulf at startup since it was already warmed up.
He told me he had a few big Ram trucks that did the same thing. Can't understand how they can get the Hemi Challengers right but not the Durango's or some big trucks. Husband has had 3 Hemi Challengers, no issues what so ever.
He thinks the blades were worn and needed to be replaced when they were boring the holes, which would cause a slight bit of a gap, just enough to cause the issue.
If I had driven somewhere and turned off, like going into a store, it did not engulf at startup since it was already warmed up.
He told me he had a few big Ram trucks that did the same thing. Can't understand how they can get the Hemi Challengers right but not the Durango's or some big trucks. Husband has had 3 Hemi Challengers, no issues what so ever.
He thinks the blades were worn and needed to be replaced when they were boring the holes, which would cause a slight bit of a gap, just enough to cause the issue.
#20