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huseman808 02-03-2011 07:10 PM

Ever wonder why MPGs suck in winter?
 
Cars using summer-blend gasoline spew fewer harmful emissions and get slightly better fuel economy than those using winter-blend gas during the summer months.

The difference between conventional summer- and winter-blend gasoline has to do with the Reid Vapor Pressure of the fuel. RVP relates to the volatility of a gasoline. The more volatile a gasoline, the more likely it will evaporate as the temperatures rises; evaporated gasoline contributes to unhealthy ozone and smog levels. Summer gasoline has a low RVP and is less likely to evaporate when compared to the high RVP winter grade. The Environmental Protection Agency says conventional summer-blend gasoline contains 1.7 percent more energy than winter-blend gas, which contributes to the summer blend’s slightly better gas mileage.

The Energy Information Administration says the switch between the two fuels happens twice a year, once in the fall (winter blend) and again in the spring (summer blend). Summer-blend gasoline is typically more expensive to produce than the winter blend, and it won’t affect vehicle performance or the durability of the engine and fuel system, according to the EPA.

In many large cities as well as California and New England, the EPA requires the use of reformulated summer- and winter-blend gasolines. These RFGs contain oxygenates that lower RVP and other toxic chemicals even further than conventional gasoline.

huseman808 02-03-2011 07:11 PM

I thought that was interesting. I never knew there was a physical difference in gas between summer and winter

vinnierap 02-03-2011 07:17 PM

That is interesting. I always thought my gas mileage sucked more because I let the truck idle for about 10 minutes before i get in...lol... Damn auto starter..lol..

stenerson 02-04-2011 06:19 AM

I thought it was all the extra weight I put in the bed for better traction.

weedahoe 02-04-2011 06:36 AM

Yeah, winter blend always gets less mileage but is also SUPPOSED to be cheaper. I got gas last night and 93 oct was 3.24/gal here......ouch!!

jarhead03 02-04-2011 07:44 AM

Gas also evaporates faster in cold temps.

Blacksport 02-04-2011 11:25 AM


Originally Posted by weedahoe (Post 2405343)
Yeah, winter blend always gets less mileage but is also SUPPOSED to be cheaper. I got gas last night and 93 oct was 3.24/gal here......ouch!!

Ouch? You want ouch? THe gas you got last night is $0.85/litre. That's for 93 oct, right? I got gas yesterday, and it was $1.07/lire...for 89 oct!! That's $4.06/gal!!! I wish I had your prices!

weedahoe 02-04-2011 11:29 AM


Originally Posted by Blacksport (Post 2405529)
Ouch? You want ouch? THe gas you got last night is $0.85/litre. That's for 93 oct, right? I got gas yesterday, and it was $1.07/lire...for 89 oct!! That's $4.06/gal!!! I wish I had your prices!

True but my MPG is about 9-10. IDK what yours is but in the end it might still cost me more..... :icon_frown:

BWhelan 02-04-2011 12:36 PM


Originally Posted by weedahoe (Post 2405343)
Yeah, winter blend always gets less mileage but is also SUPPOSED to be cheaper.

Supply and Demand, my friend. During the winter time there are more people heating their houses with oil and therefore raising the price of the product to help meet the demand.

If everyone would stop heating their homes maybe the winter blend would end up actually being cheaper! :icon_brr:

Blacksport 02-04-2011 01:25 PM


Originally Posted by weedahoe (Post 2405535)
True but my MPG is about 9-10. IDK what yours is but in the end it might still cost me more..... :icon_frown:


Yeah, I'm getting about the same...the cold weather doesn't help either!

darndodge 02-04-2011 02:46 PM

huh? thought my mileage sucked because I have to drive a cold engine/trans truck down the road every morning about 4 miles before I could get overdrive..Then I leave work and does same on way back home. Anyone using a vacuum gauge for more mph with results??

ram man17 02-04-2011 03:33 PM


Originally Posted by weedahoe (Post 2405343)
Yeah, winter blend always gets less mileage but is also SUPPOSED to be cheaper. I got gas last night and 93 oct was 3.24/gal here......ouch!!

Thats exactly why if I can I cross the border into georgia to get gas....3.40 for 93 here. I dont get it though, 3.10 for 87, 3.19 for 89 and 3.39 for 93?

I cant decide if its worth keeping the 91 tune to get better gas mileage and performance or switch to normal 87 tune and get the cheaper fill up but worse mpgs...

F the cold weather! :icon_brr:

dodgeboy1979 02-04-2011 03:42 PM


Originally Posted by jarhead03 (Post 2405389)
Gas also evaporates faster in cold temps.

how do you figure that?

HouseApe 02-04-2011 04:04 PM


Originally Posted by Blacksport (Post 2405529)
Ouch? You want ouch? THe gas you got last night is $0.85/litre. That's for 93 oct, right? I got gas yesterday, and it was $1.07/lire...for 89 oct!! That's $4.06/gal!!! I wish I had your prices!

You have it good in AB out west in Vancouver is $1.22/L for 87 octane. That works out to about $4.62 a gallon for regular 87.
I don't even bother with looking at the price of 89 or 91 octane.

freestyledude 02-04-2011 04:12 PM

It's odd that the states has cheaper fuel, Canada is America's #1 source for oil

dodgeboy1979 02-04-2011 04:14 PM

majority of the price difference has to do with Taxes, and the BS free trade agreement

HouseApe 02-04-2011 04:42 PM

Yes taxes is the major factor its $0.3795/L or $1.44/Gallon in Vancouver
In Canada oil cost about $28 a barrel to produce and oil is at $88 as of today. Thats about a 200% profit.

Blacksport 02-04-2011 05:25 PM


Originally Posted by HouseApe (Post 2405787)
You have it good in AB out west in Vancouver is $1.22/L for 87 octane. That works out to about $4.62 a gallon for regular 87.
I don't even bother with looking at the price of 89 or 91 octane.

Yeah, I forgot about you guys...yikes.

Blacksport 02-04-2011 05:26 PM


Originally Posted by freestyledude (Post 2405793)
It's odd that the states has cheaper fuel, Canada is America's #1 source for oil

Yeah, don't remind me!! I don't get how WE produce the oil and WE pay more!! Oh well, good for you guys, I guess!!


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