Do I need to worry?
During an oil change visit the Napa auto care manager commented that he was not used to seeing 2003 HEMI trucks with 260,000 miles and asked if it was the original engine. Response of course was yes and he said what happens is the early hemi's like to break valve springs. Do I need to worry? This work truck is all highway and spends 5 days a week toting me and my tools to airports. Anything I can do to make sure I'm not a victim?
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Common problem in the '03 and early '04 Hemi is weak valve springs. These were replaced fairly early in the '04 model year with stouter ones. A lot of people swap 'em out for the stronger ones as they are not expensive.
A broken valve spring doesn't always do in the engine, although it could depending on how fast you're going and how fast you can shut it down. If these are the original springs at 260,000 miles, I honestly wouldn't worry about it unless you want to make a weekend over-haul project out of it. I mean at a quarter million miles it a basic over-haul wouldn't be a bad idea anyway... |
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I'm at 140,000+ on my originals, you are damn near twice that. As stated, at that mileage some replacements wouldn't be a bad idea even for newer springs.
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If it ain't broke. Leave it alone. Keep doing what your doing, it's obviously working.
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We see many with high mileage.
The biggest mistake people make with the Hemi valve springs is not recognizing what it is, throwing parts at it, at the same time running the crap out of it while totally unaware they're doing more damage. |
Originally Posted by HammerZ71
(Post 3195099)
Common problem in the '03 and early '04 Hemi is weak valve springs. These were replaced fairly early in the '04 model year with stouter ones. A lot of people swap 'em out for the stronger ones as they are not expensive.
A broken valve spring doesn't always do in the engine, although it could depending on how fast you're going and how fast you can shut it down. If these are the original springs at 260,000 miles, I honestly wouldn't worry about it unless you want to make a weekend over-haul project out of it. I mean at a quarter million miles it a basic over-haul wouldn't be a bad idea anyway... |
Originally Posted by p38251
(Post 3195142)
If it ain't broke. Leave it alone. Keep doing what your doing, it's obviously working.
Wonder what replacement engines run |
Originally Posted by beech2000
(Post 3195190)
Can they be changed without pulling the heads off? I have the perfect candidate for performing the job.
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Originally Posted by beech2000
(Post 3195190)
Can they be changed without pulling the heads off? I have the perfect candidate for performing the job.
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Originally Posted by MikeHTally
(Post 3195222)
Absotively. Mine broke the #6 exhaust spring @ 122K. It broke while the engine was idling, so no damage, fortunately. I did the valve stem seals and push rods while I had it apart. Not the easiest job, but not the nightmare I had feared.
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Originally Posted by beech2000
(Post 3195290)
If I do this should I go with the dodge springs or aftermarket??
Good to go. Btw change out your valve stem oil seals at the same time. Al. |
Yep, not a big job. You can use the 5.7s but the 6.1s are even stronger and cost the same, pretty cheap even from the stealership.
With 240,000 on the clock anything can happen at any time, but you can totally rebuild it pretty cheap. I had a 4.7 HO in my old Grand Cherokee drop a valve seat and pretty much grenade (see Jeep Section), and bought a complete engine rebuild kit - I mean everything, pistons, rings, timing, right down to freeze plugs for under a grand. Rebuilding a OHC in the vehicle was a b*tch, your pushrod engine would be a breeze in comparison. The key was I got it shut down quick, only had a couple slight scratches in the cylinder wall on the one the seat dropped in. Scuffed out perfectly smooth. If it was mine, I'd do a minor overhaul, replace the springs and drive it like I stole it. |
Originally Posted by HammerZ71
(Post 3195366)
Yep, not a big job. You can use the 5.7s but the 6.1s are even stronger and cost the same, pretty cheap even from the stealership.
With 240,000 on the clock anything can happen at any time, but you can totally rebuild it pretty cheap. I had a 4.7 HO in my old Grand Cherokee drop a valve seat and pretty much grenade (see Jeep Section), and bought a complete engine rebuild kit - I mean everything, pistons, rings, timing, right down to freeze plugs for under a grand. Rebuilding a OHC in the vehicle was a b*tch, your pushrod engine would be a breeze in comparison. The key was I got it shut down quick, only had a couple slight scratches in the cylinder wall on the one the seat dropped in. Scuffed out perfectly smooth. If it was mine, I'd do a minor overhaul, replace the springs and drive it like I stole it. What p/n is the 6.1 valve springs? Also do you know the p/n for the seals? Should I changed the keepers as well? |
Originally Posted by beech2000
(Post 3195497)
My thoughts as well.
What p/n is the 6.1 valve springs? Also do you know the p/n for the seals? Should I changed the keepers as well? |
Yep..... I bought my springs a long time ago from Art at Hensons Performance.
No need for new keepers but as Mike said above...... Always better to have a few as spares just in case. If you do this yourself, Weedahoe has a video tutorial on how to change a camshaft on here. You can use that for guidance on your springs instal. Look under his signature for the link. Its a quality walk through and time well spent by Weed, for us all to benefit from him. Props Weed. |
Originally Posted by abarmby
(Post 3195519)
Yep..... I bought my springs a long time ago from Art at Hensons Performance.
No need for new keepers but as Mike said above...... Always better to have a few as spares just in case. If you do this yourself, Weedahoe has a video tutorial on how to change a camshaft on here. You can use that for guidance on your springs instal. Look under his signature for the link. Its a quality walk through and time well spent by Weed, for us all to benefit from him. Props Weed. What head on engine spring compressor works the best for the 5.7 hemi's |
Well I waited to long. Broke a valve springs yesterday. Forced to drive vehicle 100 miles but made it home. She has 288457 on odometer now. Decision time. Fortunately the valve didn't drop. Summit has a set in stock of "sealed power" springs. Any thoughts on these? I could fix this weekend.
This vehicle is my job and sure would love another year of service from her. |
I'm sure they will be fine. I only have experience with comps, Manley and the 6.1 Mopar springs. By reputation the Manley ' are the top dog, but are priced accordingly.
Keep us posted... |
Good news, I'm back on the road. Truck broke the valve springs last Friday, replaced them Saturday, bath and oil change on Sunday. Now Friday a week later and drove her almost 1400 Miles this Week on the new springs. Worked out great. Wonder whats next????
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