Originally Posted by Palm
(Post 3260416)
Don't know how you missed it my friend, it was all over the mainstream news not long ago...
Link you requested below. http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2015/...y-back-500000/ The Ram pickups, which are the company's top-selling vehicle, have defective steering parts that can cause drivers to lose control. Further, the article is not consistent with itself, first stating that the reason for the buyback is that "Some previous repairs have been unsuccessful", and then "Owners also have the option of getting them repaired" and again later "Fiat Chrysler said more than 60 percent of the trucks already have been fixed, and the company is allowed to repair and resell the trucks it buys back." So, do they know what the problem is, or not? How are they being allowed to "fix and resell" if sometimes the fix doesn't work? Seems more like a whole lot of speculation and an opportunity for over-sensationalizing than anything else. |
Originally Posted by Palm
(Post 3260416)
Don't know how you missed it my friend, it was all over the mainstream news not long ago. One of the reasons that they are in trouble is because of their not taking care of recalls in a timely manner.
I had this experience myself with the pinion nut recall---It took them nearly a year to fix mine and I had to keep calling and going to the dealer to finally get it taken care of. I would say that a steering problem that could cause a driver to lose control would classify as a "death wobble". Note that this particular problem was only on 4X4's although I have read reports of it happening on two wheel drives, but I can't qualify that. Link you requested below. http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2015/...y-back-500000/ I see NOTHING about Death Wobble. The reason they (and GM last year) faced heavy fines is because of dragging their feet on recall practices. And the fines were rightly handed out IMO. Not acknowledging a problem exists or initiating a recall and failing to make repair parts available are deplorable business practices. BUT, you clearly stated Chrysler got in trouble specifically for Death Wobble issues. This is simply not true. The fact you may choose to call it death wobble doesn't make it so. You can choose to call a cheetah a giraffe, doesn't make it one though. DEATH WOBBLE was a term first used by original civilian Jeep owners and by definition is "a violent and uncontrollable shaking of the entire vehicle caused by extreme oscillation of the FRONT DRIVE AXLE. This IS NOT to be confused with a vibration or "shimmy" of the steering wheel". In the case of Ram 1500s, they have no front drive axle, so by definition its not death wobble and it's been proven the vibration IS a shimmy of the steering wheel... |
Originally Posted by HammerZ71
(Post 3260421)
I see NOTHING about Death Wobble. The reason they (and GM last year) faced heavy fines is because of dragging their feet on recall practices. And the fines were rightly handed out IMO. Not acknowledging a problem exists or initiating a recall and failing to make repair parts available are deplorable business practices.
BUT, you clearly stated Chrysler got in trouble specifically for Death Wobble issues. This is simply not true. The fact you may choose to call it death wobble doesn't make it so. You can choose to call a cheetah a giraffe, doesn't make it one though. DEATH WOBBLE was a term first used by original civilian Jeep owners and by definition is "a violent and uncontrollable shaking of the entire vehicle caused by extreme oscillation of the FRONT DRIVE AXLE. This IS NOT to be confused with a vibration or "shimmy" of the steering wheel". In the case of Ram 1500s, they have no front drive axle, so by definition its not death wobble and it's been proven the vibration IS a shimmy of the steering wheel... I see NOTHING about Death Wobble. BUT, you clearly stated Chrysler got in trouble specifically for Death Wobble issues. The reason they (and GM last year) faced heavy fines is because of dragging their feet on recall practices. In the future I'll try my best to be exactly technical and quote any article word for word, please excuse my ignorance. As far as the definition of death wobble, I'll bow to your superior knowledge. |
Originally Posted by dwaldmann
(Post 3260419)
"Everybody" knows about the recent big recall/buyback issue. However, as far as I can tell it has nothing to do with Death Wobble. The only mention in the linked article regarding suspension is
There is no mention as to what the parts are or what is wrong with them. Further, the article is not consistent with itself, first stating that the reason for the buyback is that "Some previous repairs have been unsuccessful", and then "Owners also have the option of getting them repaired" and again later "Fiat Chrysler said more than 60 percent of the trucks already have been fixed, and the company is allowed to repair and resell the trucks it buys back." So, do they know what the problem is, or not? How are they being allowed to "fix and resell" if sometimes the fix doesn't work? Seems more like a whole lot of speculation and an opportunity for over-sensationalizing than anything else. To tell you the truth, at this point I am sorry that I ever got involved in this thread. I posted on this forum for a long time when I owned a 2004 Ram and apparently old age has caught up with me. I've learned a lot over the years from many that post here, and I'll probably be more of a reader in the future, as opposed to a poster. |
I really didn't mean to come down so hard on you for using an incorrect term. Because I've worked in the auto industry in a few different capacities over 30 years, I'm on a number of forums. My last job was technically supporting classic restorations. I'm even on Corvette forums because I worked a couple of years supporting Corvette parts/modifications.
I just get really tired of the term Death Wobble used to describe everything from a tire out of balance to a bad shock on forums for every vehicle from a 1957 Chevy to a C7 Corvette. If you read all truck (and SUV) forums, they are all loaded with "death wobble" threads. It astounds me that no manufacturer can build a truck with all the technology available that doesn't have suspension and driveability issues. I personally think a lot of it is the driver, one who owns or owned a car and expects a truck to handle comparably. Which also leads me to believe another chief cause is that manufacturers are trying to make their heavy trucks handle like cars, which is causing the driver to feel every adverse condition on the road. Not to mention smaller, lighter components while taking a lot of the heaviness truck front ends felt like handling 20 years ago away, these components wear faster and more abnormally causing driveability issues. While not technically death wobble, it's still an unnerving and dangerous situation... |
Originally Posted by Palm
(Post 3260416)
Don't know how you missed it my friend, it was all over the mainstream news not long ago. One of the reasons that they are in trouble is because of their not taking care of recalls in a timely manner.
I had this experience myself with the pinion nut recall---It took them nearly a year to fix mine and I had to keep calling and going to the dealer to finally get it taken care of. I would say that a steering problem that could cause a driver to lose control would classify as a "death wobble". Note that this particular problem was only on 4X4's although I have read reports of it happening on two wheel drives, but I can't qualify that. Link you requested below. http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2015/...y-back-500000/ |
280,600 on my 09 . no such thing ever happen to mine
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Hope this is it. My 2010 became just uneven. load or no load. Like it would try and skew if you hit a rough spot on the highway.
So I replaced the shocks and that helped unless you go over any type of hill at highway speed. By hill I mean hump in the road that will make you suspension work. It's like the truck has a worn out front right shock. Now the other day I had 6 8ft sheets of sheet rock in the back and some 2x4's This made it very noticeable so the rear bar is making sense. |
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