Dodge/Ram Diesel Tech Discussions on all generations of Cummins Diesel powered Rams plus the new Eco Diesel
View Poll Results: A poll
No Experience
66.67%
Ive used it in my Cummins
29.73%
Ive used it in something other than my Cummins
3.60%
Voters: 111. You may not vote on this poll

Question about Biodiesel

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
  #31  
Old 03-10-2008, 09:34 PM
Kev_n_AZ's Avatar
Kev_n_AZ
Kev_n_AZ is offline
Banned
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location:
Posts: 2,619
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default RE: Question about Biodiesel

http://www.filtercouncil.org/uploads...glish/06-1.pdf


Technical Service Bulletin 06-1
The Effects of Biodiesel on Fuel Filters
Biodiesel
, n. – a fuel comprised of mono-alkyl esters of long chain fatty acids
derived from vegetable oils or animal fats, designated B100, and meeting the
requirements of ASTM D 6751.
Biodiesel blend
, n. – a blend of biodiesel meeting ASTM D 6751 with
petroleum-based diesel fuel designated BXX, where XX is the volume percent of
biodiesel.
Overview
Biodiesel is an alternative fuel that is rapidly growing in use. However, biodiesel
received a bad reputation after the problems that occurred 2005 when some
states mandated the use of B2 biodiesel blend statewide. One of the problems
was very short fuel filter life. Further research revealed that the problems
encountered were not due to the use of the biodiesel blend, but rather the use of
biodiesel that did not meet the ASTM D 6751 specifications. The use of biodiesel
that does not meet specifications may cause problems within the fuel system.
One false perception of biodiesel is that it can be made by simply mixing raw
vegetable oil or waste vegetable with diesel fuel. Due to the high glycerin
content in vegetable oil, these feed stocks must be refined and catalyzed to
make biodiesel that meets the ASTM D 6751 specification.
Filter Plugging
Biodiesel has some solvent properties and will act as a solvent in the fuel.
Blends greater than B20 may have enough of a solvent effect to break down the
varnish deposits on the walls of the existing fuel storage tanks or fuel systems.
The break-down of these varnish deposits will contaminate the fuel with
particulate, which can cause fuel filters to plug rapidly. Once the contaminant is
removed from the fuel, subsequent fuel filter service intervals should return to
normal. Biodiesel blends up to B20 should have minimal solvent effects on
existing fuel systems and blends below B5 should have no solvent effect above
that of regular diesel fuel meeting ASTM D 975 specification. Blends of B5 and
below should also meet the ASTM D 975 specifications for diesel fuel.
Filter plugging problems can be prevented by effectively cleaning storage tanks
before introducing biodiesel. Filter plugging can also be minimized by using low
blends of biodiesel and/or ensuring the biodiesel that you are using is from a
April 2006
Page 2 of 2
quality source meeting the ASTM D 6751 specifications. BQ9000 is a quality
certification that certifies biodiesel suppliers that provide quality biodiesel meeting
the ASTM D 6751 specification.
Filter Compatibility
Most fuel filters currently used in petro-diesel applications are compatible with
bio-diesel blends up to B20. Check with your filter manufacturer for verification.
Using High Blends of Biodiesel
Filters that are used in special applications using high blends of biodiesel, those
near B100 or unblended B100, should use solvent resistant sealing materials.
Continued use of standard sealing materials commonly found on most popular
fuel filters may result in deterioration or swelling of the material, which may cause
leaks.
For more information on biodiesel visit
www.biodiesel.org Website. This site is
not affiliated with the Filter Manufacturers Council.
For additional information, contact:
Filter Manufacturers Council
P.O. Box 13966
Research Triangle Park, NC 27709-3966
Phone: 919/406-8817 Fax: 919/406-1306

Administered by Motor & Equipment Manufacturers Association
 
  #32  
Old 03-11-2008, 09:58 AM
e36m3e's Avatar
e36m3e
e36m3e is offline
Amateur
Join Date: Jan 2008
Posts: 45
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default RE: Question about Biodiesel

so if you use upwards of B20 you may have to change your filter after the first couple tanks (depending)...then you should be ok for regular filter intervals. and less than b5 no affects on the filter life. the study for lubricity used B2 and it kicked everything elses booty. don't know if anyone has ever done a study on wether or not BD helps improve the BTU properties of ULSD but it sure seems to be a good lube.

can anyone confirm MPG efficiency using B20 or less mixes?

E
 
  #33  
Old 03-15-2008, 10:53 AM
KenZ's Avatar
KenZ
KenZ is offline
Veteran
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Linwood,MI
Posts: 358
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default RE: Question about Biodiesel

I use B20 in the summer months, as it is removed fom the pumps from roughly October till April/May and replaced with B5. Here in Mid-Michigan the cold could affect the usability of B20. It usually runs about the same price as petro. maybe a few cents more. I get maybe 1-2mpg better and it is quieter. I have noticed the milage increase is more noticable in city driving than highway driving, and have noticed no noticable difference in power. You can make your own biodiesel for about 75 cent per gal. from what I have read, but depends on getting the waste oil for free. With the popularity of home brewing rising, I can see resturants starting to charge for it. Everyone needs to make a dollar.
 
  #34  
Old 03-16-2008, 09:24 PM
JimmyDiablo's Avatar
JimmyDiablo
JimmyDiablo is offline
Champion
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Tolleson, Az
Posts: 4,360
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default RE: Question about Biodiesel

I am still just mixing wvo in the tank with pump. about 50/50 now.
 
  #35  
Old 03-18-2008, 12:29 AM
Topher26's Avatar
Topher26
Topher26 is offline
Join Date: Mar 2008
Posts: 4
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default RE: Question about Biodiesel

I dont know a whole lot about bio diesel. Right now im stickin to just reg diesel. i have had some people tell me not to use any bio diesel cause it will jack up my truck. but then i hear alot of people that swear by used vegetable oil. any body had any problems with their trucks after runnin bio diesel for awhile?
 
  #36  
Old 03-19-2008, 10:07 PM
JimmyDiablo's Avatar
JimmyDiablo
JimmyDiablo is offline
Champion
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Tolleson, Az
Posts: 4,360
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default RE: Question about Biodiesel

I've been using wvo for about 6 months now, no prob once I got the blend right.
 
  #37  
Old 03-20-2008, 03:07 PM
steve05ram360's Avatar
steve05ram360
steve05ram360 is offline
Hall Of Fame
Join Date: Jan 2004
Posts: 12,815
Received 222 Likes on 207 Posts
Default RE: Question about Biodiesel

ORIGINAL: JimmyDiablo

I've been using wvo for about 6 months now, no prob once I got the blend right.
what blend did you endup with?
 
  #38  
Old 03-20-2008, 07:58 PM
JimmyDiablo's Avatar
JimmyDiablo
JimmyDiablo is offline
Champion
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Tolleson, Az
Posts: 4,360
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default RE: Question about Biodiesel

Currently 50/50.. when it was colder 2/3 pump, 1/3 wvo
 
  #39  
Old 03-20-2008, 08:01 PM
Kev_n_AZ's Avatar
Kev_n_AZ
Kev_n_AZ is offline
Banned
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location:
Posts: 2,619
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default RE: Question about Biodiesel

I found that 1/3 to 1/2 bottel of power service mixed with the vegi and diesel helps keep it from gelling. did that a week ago, then I did not ad more when the vegi was added. hard time all week with the truck.

my truck was responding well to 1/3 max 1/2 tank vegi to diesel.

oh yea, I need more ps....
 
  #40  
Old 03-23-2008, 10:16 PM
gregj3's Avatar
gregj3
gregj3 is offline
Amateur
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location:
Posts: 32
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default RE: Question about Biodiesel


ORIGINAL: JimmyDiablo

Currently 50/50.. when it was colder 2/3 pump, 1/3 wvo

What's your average temps (day/night) for the 50/50 mix, and what temps do you call "colder?"
 


Quick Reply: Question about Biodiesel



All times are GMT -4. The time now is 06:50 AM.