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Old Oct 9, 2009 | 08:04 AM
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Originally Posted by shelbydaytona
it's impossible to do a compression test on an engine with a 'broken' timing belt and a compression test will never show blow by, only a leakdown test will. if u put a 3.5 in place, you would also have to change the computer and maybe a bunch of wiring too. its always easiest and cheapest to use the same engine unless u want to do a bunch more work and buy more parts
starter clicking is when the solenoid creates a magnetic field. when u have a normal running car the starter clicks once and then the starter motor engages and turns the engine over. a low battery, the solenoid will click and kickout repeatedly making a rapid clicking noise but there isn't enough power to apply the starter motor. so ur terminology has me confused.
sounds like ur going to have a lot of money into this technician since theyve done quite a bit of work on ur car already.
That is what I was thinking after reading down through the posts.

If your posts are accurate in the terms of "exactly what the mechanic is saying", you might want to look at having the car moved to a different garage to be worked on.
 
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Old Oct 9, 2009 | 07:16 PM
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Originally Posted by shelbydaytona
it's impossible to do a compression test on an engine with a 'broken' timing belt and a compression test will never show blow by, only a leakdown test will.

sounds like ur going to have a lot of money into this technician since theyve done quite a bit of work on ur car already.
ok maybe a leakdown test sorry. but if you have the front cover off can you turn the cam gears until the valves for a cyl. are closed then check for leakdown?

And actually the shop owner use to be my next door neighbor and since i went back and asked them to do a little more research on the engine before a complete teardown he said they pushed it outside and its ready for me to pickup and do whatever, no charge.

so either he didnt do the leakdown test and said screw it or he wants future business.

i am going to bring it back home to my garage and do the work myself figure i can't screw up to much more than whats been done, my uncle said he would look out for an engine for me but he said in the meantime pull the heads off and see if the pistons are damaged, if not get a valve job and freshen up the heads, new valves and whatnot and try that.
 
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Old Oct 9, 2009 | 11:44 PM
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ur story gets more wishy washy every time things are pointed out that are not right... your mechanic sounds totally clueless or u have no comprehension to whats happening. see if u have an interference motor and u broke the timing belt, ud bend the valves. so lininging up any of the parts would result in major leaking thru the valves and not blow by! i find it hard to believe that blow by is the reason ur car just quit. if u had blowby as u stated u were told then ud have horrible driveablility way before it died, ud have an aircleaner full of oil and more other problems. i find it hard to believe that will all that diagnostic work you claimed was done there was no charge? from all you stated there's at least 2hrs there i dont know any real mechanic willing to eat 2hrs that a minimum of $40 to the mech and $150-$200 to the shop. i really don't think any shops are non-profit for charity, of course he wants business that's what business do. theres a building with employees, overhead, etc. they get vehicles that people cant fix and they fix them. inturn they charge for those repairs so the technician can provide for his family, the shop owner can provide for his family, and pay for secretaries, service writters, accountants, cleanup people, etc etc etc. since u have this awsome junkyard affiliated uncle, why screw around with an engine that has blowby according to the master technician next door neighbor. not only do you need valves, you need to rebuild the bottom end including honing the cylinders, new rings etc. the parts cost for valve job, gaskets, timing belt (most likely a water pump) rings since it has blowby will greatly exceed just replacing the motor with the exact same motor ur uncle can get. beside if you spend all that money for parts and repairs and u screw up the timing belt guess what you get to do?
 
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Old Oct 11, 2009 | 05:18 PM
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Originally Posted by shelbydaytona
ur story gets more wishy washy every time things are pointed out that are not right... your mechanic sounds totally clueless or u have no comprehension to whats happening. see if u have an interference motor and u broke the timing belt, ud bend the valves. so lininging up any of the parts would result in major leaking thru the valves and not blow by! i find it hard to believe that blow by is the reason ur car just quit. if u had blowby as u stated u were told then ud have horrible driveablility way before it died, ud have an aircleaner full of oil and more other problems. i find it hard to believe that will all that diagnostic work you claimed was done there was no charge? from all you stated there's at least 2hrs there i dont know any real mechanic willing to eat 2hrs that a minimum of $40 to the mech and $150-$200 to the shop. i really don't think any shops are non-profit for charity, of course he wants business that's what business do. theres a building with employees, overhead, etc. they get vehicles that people cant fix and they fix them. inturn they charge for those repairs so the technician can provide for his family, the shop owner can provide for his family, and pay for secretaries, service writters, accountants, cleanup people, etc etc etc. since u have this awsome junkyard affiliated uncle, why screw around with an engine that has blowby according to the master technician next door neighbor. not only do you need valves, you need to rebuild the bottom end including honing the cylinders, new rings etc. the parts cost for valve job, gaskets, timing belt (most likely a water pump) rings since it has blowby will greatly exceed just replacing the motor with the exact same motor ur uncle can get. beside if you spend all that money for parts and repairs and u screw up the timing belt guess what you get to do?
i am sorry i dont know all the technical lingo and how these things work. i came on here looking for help got it and now you criticize me coming on here and telling my problem and the events that happened.

the is a small shop and like i said before i grew next to the shop owner, he and my dad are best friends and thats why i took it there. maybe hard for you big city guys to believe that but small town USA still does things like that.

i never said i had an awesome junkyard affiliated uncle, he has just been around these things more than i at the junkyards/salvage yards. he hauls cars away for people that do not want them anymore, anything from pure junk to newer 2005 monte carlos that he has help with fixing and drives them.

i hope not everyone on this forum is like shelby because if so i cant believe people stay on here.
 
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Old Oct 11, 2009 | 08:14 PM
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all i ask for is clarification and you get ur undies in a bundy. if u want i'll disect the contradictions in ur stories. i gave you the best possible answer to ur problem. take it from there. there is no easier, cheaper or better way to replace your engine than with one exactly the same. is say ur uncle is awsome because that's the way u portrayed him and i'm just complementing u on having someone with so much junkyard affiliation which is a huge benifit that others dont have. as for big cities, my town has a population of under 500 and the closest mcdonalds is an hr away. so before u start making accusations, u should really be a little more intune with who you want to disrespect.
 
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Old Oct 11, 2009 | 11:31 PM
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lininging?
 
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Old Oct 12, 2009 | 12:01 PM
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Shelby, take it easy on the newer members. Some people come here looking for advice, answers, and help. Some may not be as versed in the mechanical side of vehicles as you or others. Being knowledgeable about what is going on with your vehicle is great. That way you can speak to the mechanic and let him know what you know or what the vehicle is doing, plus it will tend to sway them against trying to "pull the wool over his eyes". Thanx
 
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Old Oct 12, 2009 | 12:28 PM
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idk what u mean? its sure hard to get a solution when the story changes or information does not = what really happened.
 
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Old Oct 13, 2009 | 01:03 PM
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have you ever heard the expression "you catch more flies with honey than vinegar"?
 
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Old Oct 13, 2009 | 02:22 PM
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Sorry for the accusations shelby u just hit a nerve is all and i had a bad day when i seen that.



Originally Posted by lghtngblt02
Shelby, take it easy on the newer members. Some people come here looking for advice, answers, and help. Some may not be as versed in the mechanical side of vehicles as you or others. Being knowledgeable about what is going on with your vehicle is great. That way you can speak to the mechanic and let him know what you know or what the vehicle is doing, plus it will tend to sway them against trying to "pull the wool over his eyes". Thanx
thats why i came in here because i dont know much about these cars and i now believe thats what he was trying to do then with all of your help i called his bluff and he sent my car on its way.

Now, i have the car back home front cover off and all, should i buy a belt and put it on, startup the engine and see if it misfires(<<<<not for sure right term) or what should i do next?
 
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