Damn that's the quickest reply I think Ive ever seen, haha. I've seen the Moroso Pan mentioned (Bigger?), is it really necessary or should the stock pan work just fine? What would be the advantage of having a couple more quarts of oil in there anyway?

 

The Moroso pan holds 7 quarts of oil, as opposed to the 4.5 (5.0 with Viper filter) that the stock pan holds. The stock pan will work just fine, its just the Moroso is better. The adavantage would be more oil for lubrication which would maintain everything much better, especially under the very harsh conditions of a turbocharger and high torque.

 

With the oil recirculating, doesn't the same amount get delivered for lubrication regardless of the pan size (assuming equal pumps and that there is enough so the pan doesnt empty before it has time to recirculate)? Can I use the same scraper & tray from that site if I get the Moroso Pan?

 

I believe the site has a scraper for the Moroso pan as well, it already comes with a built in windage tray, so you dont have to worry about that. As for the recirculation of the oil, yes, the stock oil pump can only pump X amount of oil per second, however, the actual volume of oil being pumped can increase or decrease depending on the amount of oil in the pan. Which is one reason why windage trays alone are a great addition, it keeps the oil from moving around during high speed turns or hard acceleration, allowing the pump to more easilly pump it from the pan. You also have the option of getting a Melling high flow oil pump with the stronger rotor like I mentioned a few posts back.

 

More oil in the pan (moroso vs stock)= More fluid pressure at the oil pickup? Seems like this would be small compared to the power of the pump, maybe im wrong. sorry for the badgering, I getcurious.

Other topic, but i think its an easy question, i couldnt seem to find a solid straight answer though: The magnumR/T2.0 cylinder heads - are they still SOHC?

 

Well when you get into fluid pressure the difference between that of the Moroso and stock will almost be the same, since the increase in oil volume is going to be relative to the oil pan size. If your talking about the additional oil with a stock pan and the scraper/windage tray, your correct, it will be rather small, but when your talking about high torque on a motor that wasnt designed for it, the smallest variables can mean a big difference, whether your talking about the amount of available lubricant, or the amount of fuel being delievered, etc...I dont know if what I said makes any sense...lol.

As for the Magnum cylinder head, yes, it is still a SOHC. Basically, a Magnum cylinder head has the equivilent flow to an aggressively race ported standard SOHC head.

 

Ya it's sinking in, haha. But if the fluid pressure is the same, Why does having more oil sitting in the pan make the moroso better - assuming both have the scraper and tray installed? Hm, the scraper and tray improve performance under harsh driving by keeping oil where the pump can suck it up...maybethe higher volume of oil causes it to take longer to move under load, enhancing the effect of the scraper and tray?For example, say with the stock pan there is X amount of oil in a certain area, and under some load it takes 2 seconds to completely move around the baffles etc. Now say with the moroso there is twice the amount of oil, so under the same load it will take say 4 seconds to run dry in that area...

The question is: is the difference big enough to make it worth the money for a 300hp application? Are their any clearance issues?

Is the magnum head worth having ported & polished?

Ok thats it for me for the night, lol, Im headed to bed. Thanks for the fast replies again btw.

 

about that magnum cylinder head... is it possible to take one of those and simple put it right on the non-magnum engine? or do you need this part and that part...? and if you can simply bolt it on what kinds of gains are expected?

 

I *think* it can be bolted on directly, I'll let someone else confirm that. As for power gains...well the R/T has 150hp vs 130, so the result would be somewhere between that...maybe 10 - 15hp gain?

 

The magnum exhaust will bolt up, but you will have to use a non-mag gasket. The MLS for the magnum will leak. When i did it, i took a dremel and ground away some of the gasket to match the runner size.

The gains are nothing to get excited over. If you want something you can feel, swap both manifolds and the head and cam. Your non-mag ECU will not be able to control the butterflies in the intake manifold so you will have to hook them up to a rpm switch.

k3v

edit: depending on the year of your car... you will have to swap the cam magnet if swapping a magnum head/cam. 00-02 use one style cam magnet while 03+ uses a different one.