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Old Sep 19, 2022 | 10:52 PM
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Hey everyone...

Having a issue that has me really stumped. I bought this 2000 Dodge Neon as a project car and I've worked out every bug, but the last one. The issue is when I'm either parked or moving the engine surges with a total loss of power when I get to 3500-4000 rpms. It will get better for a second and cutout again. Things I've done or checked:

- Fuel pump replaced
- Crank and cam sensors replaced-
- Plugs and wires replaced
- Temp sensor replaced
- Makeup vacuum tube replaced. It had a big leak.

Pulled Catalytic Converter, problem still was present.

One thing I've noticed is when it's acting up the short term fuel trims will both go to 0 and not move until I let off the gas. If I keep pushing the gas pedal to the floor during it acting up it will get slightly worse and I will smell gas.

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Old Sep 21, 2022 | 10:28 AM
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Welcome to the 2nd Gen Neon forum.

You've been busy on this puppy, 144 reads but no replies yet, so will see if I can get things started

Trying to rev our engines as high as you say you were doing without a load isn't a good idea, as that could cause damage, so the engineers have the engine computer limit how many Unloaded rpm it can make, by turning off the fuel injectors so the engine won't over rev, come unraveled & make a mess!!!!
So, you may have been bumping the rev limiter & that might be some of the cause of the higher rpm engine surge????

Scan for trouble code clues & post All code Numbers, as they can help focus a trouble shoot. Some beginning thoughts for consideration, let us know what you find.
 

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Old Sep 21, 2022 | 12:53 PM
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Originally Posted by paw paw
Welcome to the 2nd Gen Neon forum.

You've been busy on this puppy, 144 reads but no replies yet, so will see if I can get things started

Trying to rev our engines as high as you say you were doing without a load isn't a good idea, as that could cause damage, so the engineers have the engine computer limit how many Unloaded rpm it can turn, by turning off the fuel injectors so the engine won't over rev, come unraveled & make a mess!!!!
So that might be some of the cause of the higher rpm engine surge????

Scan for trouble code clues & post All code Numbers, as they can help focus a trouble shoot. Some beginning thoughts for consideration, let us know what you find.
I just came to the same conclusion thinking on how my Dodge Ram does the same thing. After I had addressed engine codes, I would get a surge upon quick acceleration. Eventually that was traced to a leaking vacuum tube and a bad MAP sensor. After doing all that I never took it on a drive to see how it was running. I just assumed the surging was an indication of a problem. So lesson learned.

Thanks for the reply.

 
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