thanks for the info. I am a huge 2nd generation dodge fan, like I said the 318 that was in my 97 dodge ram would whoop the 302 that was in my F150 all day long. I loved the way when you open the hood the grill comes up with it. I like the body lines and the looks of them. Hell to be honest there isn't much I don't like about them. I been wanting one since I got rid of my dodge to get my wife a car. Really glad to be on the forum and thanks you guys for answering my questions