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Old Jan 14, 2010 | 12:17 PM
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+1, if you drive slower it should shift normal and stays in each gear longer when your stepping on it
 
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Old Jan 14, 2010 | 12:25 PM
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i'm going to disagree.
the 46RE does the OD and TC Lock from electronic control.
the 1-2-3 is all hydraulic.

when I installed a hypertech in my 01, it had zero effect on the transmission shift.
i think i had the original factory/stock shift pattern 1-2-3-TC-OD.
the TC and OD shift occurred at 40-45 mph under easy driving, which is far to slow.
Also with OD off, it would still do TC lock at 40.

when i uninstalled the hypertech and installed the superchips, my shift pattern changed to 1-2-3-OD-TC. and if OD is off, then I have no TC lock. also the OD shift moved out to about 50+ mph, under the same easy driving. this is where it should be. its a MUCH better shift pattern, and i no longer have to turn OD off for city driving.
 
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Old Jan 14, 2010 | 12:43 PM
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when i started adjusting the rev limiter, it sayed "shift points changed" i may be wrong, but it definatly said that
 
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Old Jan 14, 2010 | 03:18 PM
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Originally Posted by dhvaughan
i'm going to disagree.
the 46RE does the OD and TC Lock from electronic control.
the 1-2-3 is all hydraulic.

when I installed a hypertech in my 01, it had zero effect on the transmission shift.
i think i had the original factory/stock shift pattern 1-2-3-TC-OD.
the TC and OD shift occurred at 40-45 mph under easy driving, which is far to slow.
Also with OD off, it would still do TC lock at 40.

when i uninstalled the hypertech and installed the superchips, my shift pattern changed to 1-2-3-OD-TC. and if OD is off, then I have no TC lock. also the OD shift moved out to about 50+ mph, under the same easy driving. this is where it should be. its a MUCH better shift pattern, and i no longer have to turn OD off for city driving.
I'm going to disagree with you both


I believe the 46rh was hydraulically controlled except for od which was electric (thats why they still have gov pressure sensor )
and the 46re was fully electronically controlled (thats why when the speed sensor or gov pressure solenoid or sensor fail it can fail to shift at all or reliably)
and I believe some tuners do change the tranny control modules programming...(tcm) to change shift points...
 

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Old Jan 14, 2010 | 10:32 PM
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Originally Posted by lord0fsal3m
when i started adjusting the rev limiter, it sayed "shift points changed" i may be wrong, but it definatly said that
There is a main reason for that. That tuner that you have is capable of tuning other Rams newer than yours with the right software updates. Newer rams have the option to change shift points, and in part of the canned tuning that goes on, that's one of the small things that carries over. It may say it on the tuner and people may push a sale on that reasoning, the fact still remains that the tuner can not in any way alter the shift points from 1-2-2-TC or OD.


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I'm going to disagree with you both


I believe the 46rh was hydraulically controlled except for od which was electric (thats why they still have gov pressure sensor )
and the 46re was fully electronically controlled (thats why when the speed sensor or gov pressure solenoid or sensor fail it can fail to shift at all or reliably)
and I believe some tuners do change the tranny control modules programming...(tcm) to change shift points...
As far as I'm concerned, the same applies to what I said above. The tuners might be capable of changing when OD kicks in, but that is about it. The RE refers to how OD is controlled, and the RH refers to the same. The RE meaning as we all know, electronically controlled and the RH is hydraulically controlled.
 
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Old Jan 14, 2010 | 11:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Laramie1997
There is a main reason for that. That tuner that you have is capable of tuning other Rams newer than yours with the right software updates. Newer rams have the option to change shift points, and in part of the canned tuning that goes on, that's one of the small things that carries over. It may say it on the tuner and people may push a sale on that reasoning, the fact still remains that the tuner can not in any way alter the shift points from 1-2-2-TC or OD.




As far as I'm concerned, the same applies to what I said above. The tuners might be capable of changing when OD kicks in, but that is about it. The RE refers to how OD is controlled, and the RH refers to the same. The RE meaning as we all know, electronically controlled and the RH is hydraulically controlled.
well according to dhvaughan's post its something we apparently didnt all know.... and on the 46re all the shiftpoints are electronically controlled reprogramming can most certianly be canged just like the electronically controlled shift to OD?
Do you haver anything that states a reason otherwise? I'm curious to know about this
read this
http://www.au-t-o-m-e-d-i-a.com/Shif...ht20011001sk/1
(remove the -'s from the website main name

here's an exerpt if it doesnt work

"Nowadays, automatic transmissions are more popular than ever. Computer-controlled four and five-speed autos are in countless vehicles. How can you enhance the shifting elements of a computer-controlled transmission? By tuning the computer, of course. It's no longer necessary to drop the pan and access the valvebody to improve shifting—the trans processor can be reprogrammed to alter shift points and firmness."

now there may or may not be a tuner that does this for or truck....My point is is totally possible to do it...I mean really whats the point in designing something to be controlled electronically vs mechanical means if not to make easily adjustable that same way?... I work on electro mechanical machines every day...this is the benefit of them when it all works right..
 

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Old Jan 15, 2010 | 01:00 AM
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No offense intended, but you guys that think a 46RE can have its shift points adjusted don't understand our transmission's design. The 1-2-3 shift points are not changeable by a tuner. Period.

Thats what the TV cable on the passenger side of the throttle body does. Our transmissions, although called a four speed, are really an older 3-speed design with a 4th "gear", or OD gear, added on. The first three speeds are not controlled by the PCM at all, but by that cable (physical adjustment is required to change them, not electronic), and therefore no tuner can touch them. Like others stated, it may feel like its shifting differently due to increased power, but the shift points cannot be adjusted electronically. Its literally impossible due to our transmission design.

If the shift points were programmed into the PCM, there'd be no point in having a TV cable.

However, what can be adjusted is the OD (or "4th gear") and torque converter lockup/unlocking. Those two things are controlled by the PCM, and therefore, can be adjusted by a tuner, including the Superchips.

Newer transmissions, like the ones in the 3rd generation trucks with the 4.7 or Hemi, are fully computer controlled, and they can have their points adjusted.
 

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Old Jan 15, 2010 | 01:06 AM
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Originally Posted by iwhitne
^ I disagree.. I can get a solid 18 mpg on the highway in mileage mode and only get about 10mpg in super modewith 93 oct.
Unless I missed a possible additional tune, which is possible, there is no 93 octane tune for Superchips. 91 was the highest I was aware of.

Maybe it was the fact that 99% of my driving was in town. I guess, now that I think about it, I never gave the economy tune a chance on the highway, really.

I never tried the fourth "XS Mileage" tune either, that may have been a different story than "87 economy".
 
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Old Jan 15, 2010 | 09:28 AM
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well i just went to superchips.com and typed in my truck info, the superchips 3865 came up which isnt the one i use but it has a checklist under it and says you cant adjust shift points, but on a newer ram you can which is why it says that you can on the chip. someone said that previously. i think a lot of you are right, you can tune a trans, but not ours.
 
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Old Jan 17, 2010 | 02:43 AM
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lordOfsal3m is correct.

The 3865 (and 3815 before it) were designed to be used on many different Dodges, not just our 2nd gen Rams. They also work, for example, on the newer Hemi Rams that can have their shift points adjusted. But for us, due to Chrysler's design (not the tuner), they can't be adjusted on our trucks.
 

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