Track bar problems/questions
mjackson92rs, the bracket says it will work for 2500/3500 trucks, anyone know if its the same for a 1500? Thats exactly what I'm looking for, but I'm not sure if it will fit.
dsertdog56, The first "pic" is actually a video, is it not working for you? You can clearly see the frame move side to side about 1.5" while the axle stays put. The bolt is not loose, the holes are perfectly round as far as I can tell. The bushing is just shot. The original bushigns that came with the Adv Auto bar were rubber, the moog replacements were more of a plastic material. I didn't remove any metal sleeve, I just greased the bushing up, and tapped it in with a rubber mallet. It went in hard, but it did go in.
This track bar is kicking my butt! Now I can't remove it from the truck because the stud won't come out of the frame end! I have the axle end just hanging free but I can't get it out of the frame. I've tried heat, penetrating oil, air hammer, 3lb sledge hammer, and a slide hammer, but this thing won't budge. Any more suggestions before I take it to the dealer?
dsertdog56, The first "pic" is actually a video, is it not working for you? You can clearly see the frame move side to side about 1.5" while the axle stays put. The bolt is not loose, the holes are perfectly round as far as I can tell. The bushing is just shot. The original bushigns that came with the Adv Auto bar were rubber, the moog replacements were more of a plastic material. I didn't remove any metal sleeve, I just greased the bushing up, and tapped it in with a rubber mallet. It went in hard, but it did go in.
This track bar is kicking my butt! Now I can't remove it from the truck because the stud won't come out of the frame end! I have the axle end just hanging free but I can't get it out of the frame. I've tried heat, penetrating oil, air hammer, 3lb sledge hammer, and a slide hammer, but this thing won't budge. Any more suggestions before I take it to the dealer?
mjackson92rs, the bracket says it will work for 2500/3500 trucks, anyone know if its the same for a 1500? Thats exactly what I'm looking for, but I'm not sure if it will fit.
dsertdog56, The first "pic" is actually a video, is it not working for you? You can clearly see the frame move side to side about 1.5" while the axle stays put. The bolt is not loose, the holes are perfectly round as far as I can tell. The bushing is just shot. The original bushigns that came with the Adv Auto bar were rubber, the moog replacements were more of a plastic material. I didn't remove any metal sleeve, I just greased the bushing up, and tapped it in with a rubber mallet. It went in hard, but it did go in.
This track bar is kicking my butt! Now I can't remove it from the truck because the stud won't come out of the frame end! I have the axle end just hanging free but I can't get it out of the frame. I've tried heat, penetrating oil, air hammer, 3lb sledge hammer, and a slide hammer, but this thing won't budge. Any more suggestions before I take it to the dealer?
dsertdog56, The first "pic" is actually a video, is it not working for you? You can clearly see the frame move side to side about 1.5" while the axle stays put. The bolt is not loose, the holes are perfectly round as far as I can tell. The bushing is just shot. The original bushigns that came with the Adv Auto bar were rubber, the moog replacements were more of a plastic material. I didn't remove any metal sleeve, I just greased the bushing up, and tapped it in with a rubber mallet. It went in hard, but it did go in.
This track bar is kicking my butt! Now I can't remove it from the truck because the stud won't come out of the frame end! I have the axle end just hanging free but I can't get it out of the frame. I've tried heat, penetrating oil, air hammer, 3lb sledge hammer, and a slide hammer, but this thing won't budge. Any more suggestions before I take it to the dealer?
I always have to use a pickle fork on my T-bar.
Ah, yes, there was also a metal sleeve that went in the center of the bushing, and yes, I did install it. The only thing that was kind of weird about the install was the the two halves of the bushing didn't line up perfectly, so the bolt hole was a little scewed. This made installing the bolt a real pain. Maybe that was the problem?
I did try a pickle fork. Thats what I was using the sledge, air hammer, and the slide hammer on. Nothing. I also tried smashing the bolt down with the hammers. Nothing. (and yes I did remember to remove the nut first
)
I did try a pickle fork. Thats what I was using the sledge, air hammer, and the slide hammer on. Nothing. I also tried smashing the bolt down with the hammers. Nothing. (and yes I did remember to remove the nut first
)
Last edited by CSXfan; Apr 30, 2010 at 11:37 PM.
Here's my concern...the factory bushing is pressed into place and I mean pressed...as in machine with hydraulic pressure. You can't move it, or the inner sleeve by hand.
Theres a lot of motion in that bushing as it rotates in that mount, along with shock loads from pot holes, etc.
My theory, ( and I can't tell without seeing the carnage) is that there's 1. just enough "slack" in the bushing that once movement starts it is pounded to pieces and 2> that a harder urethane bushing is easily distroyed this way.
I don't know what Advance peddles for suspension parts but most part stores have a cheap and a good brand. The first is over priced and the second costs a lot more.
Maybe you could check a Moog T bar or another brand and make sure you get a quality end, or buy a rubber bushing assembly and have a machine shop press it in.
I'm gonna do a little on line looking and see if such an item is sold
Theres a lot of motion in that bushing as it rotates in that mount, along with shock loads from pot holes, etc.
My theory, ( and I can't tell without seeing the carnage) is that there's 1. just enough "slack" in the bushing that once movement starts it is pounded to pieces and 2> that a harder urethane bushing is easily distroyed this way.
I don't know what Advance peddles for suspension parts but most part stores have a cheap and a good brand. The first is over priced and the second costs a lot more.
Maybe you could check a Moog T bar or another brand and make sure you get a quality end, or buy a rubber bushing assembly and have a machine shop press it in.
I'm gonna do a little on line looking and see if such an item is sold
Good 'ol Rockauto...
They list several bushing assemblies, and all are the 2 piece urethane...but this one.
This is an OEM one piece bushing. It has to be pressed into your bar, and if just slides or pushes in, your bar is shot.
They list several bushing assemblies, and all are the 2 piece urethane...but this one.
This is an OEM one piece bushing. It has to be pressed into your bar, and if just slides or pushes in, your bar is shot.
Last edited by dsertdog56; May 16, 2010 at 12:10 AM.
hmm. so you have moog bushings and you've got that much play; i don't know, somethings afoul in trackbar land. why are you killing bushings so quick? (thats whats happening) maybe it was just a crap bushing; personally i'd return it and get a moog type trackbar or something, with the bushings already pressed in; this shouldn't happen......
as for getting the track bar out; PB blaster hahahaha. let it sit, soak, then beat the bloody hell out of it with a sledge. again
oh, and you guys with the dual stabilizers; all this does is MASK the underlying problems, which will get worse, and then kill said stabilizers. you shouldn't need a stabilizer at all anyways. if everything is tight vibration would be minimal; factory just puts em on there to hide failing parts
like trackbars
good luck with this thing man; track bar issues suck
as for getting the track bar out; PB blaster hahahaha. let it sit, soak, then beat the bloody hell out of it with a sledge. again
oh, and you guys with the dual stabilizers; all this does is MASK the underlying problems, which will get worse, and then kill said stabilizers. you shouldn't need a stabilizer at all anyways. if everything is tight vibration would be minimal; factory just puts em on there to hide failing parts
like trackbars
good luck with this thing man; track bar issues suck
I think I'm just gonna take it to the dealer and have them fix it. I couldn't get the track bar out so I had to put everything back together in order to get to work.
I think what happened was that the sleeve was supposed to be removed before the moog bushings went in. I just smashed it with a hammer until they popped in, maybe that deformed them a little.
I think what happened was that the sleeve was supposed to be removed before the moog bushings went in. I just smashed it with a hammer until they popped in, maybe that deformed them a little.
I had all urethane all around on my '78 Cherokee and encountered no problems, so was seriously considering doing the same for the Ram. But if it's a bad idea I'd just as soon not!
That's got me all kinds of interested. What's the scoop with the urethane bushings?
I had all urethane all around on my '78 Cherokee and encountered no problems, so was seriously considering doing the same for the Ram. But if it's a bad idea I'd just as soon not!
I had all urethane all around on my '78 Cherokee and encountered no problems, so was seriously considering doing the same for the Ram. But if it's a bad idea I'd just as soon not!
I have them all over my ram as well, but amd seeing evidence that they don't work well for this (trackbar) application. Come to think, that's about about the only suspension part I don't have urethaned.



