Ignition Upgrades
#1
Ignition Upgrades
Hey its me again LOL!! Joined up when my 98 Ram 1500 5.9 wouldn't start. Well you guys got her running but now its time to get rid of that rough idle and get her in tip top shape. Right now she is stock some parts newer than others LOL. Been going through the archives doing some reading about coils and other ignition upgrades. I see some people using MSD and frying PCM's or burning off rotor tips prematurely. So my thought is how about everyone does some bragging and clue everyone else in on their ignition setups. Let's hear about your parts of choice... Coils, plugs ( think I get this one down most love champion), wires, rotors, caps. Brands you love and those you hate!! Pretty sure the SCT tuner by Hemifever is top choice too from everything I've read... So ya get braggin!!! LOL
Last edited by CBR900RR19; 08-24-2010 at 08:40 PM. Reason: Typos
#2
MY EXPERIENCE: MSD 6AL and MSD Coil with Accel Plugs wires cap rotor (Accel truck tune up package from Summit Racing)
I like it. I have never fried any rotors. Had this setup in my 1996 5.2 and my current 2001. THe reason why people "talk" about fried rotors is because the MSD gives you 3 sparks per crank, so you go through plugs/caps/rotors 3x as fast. At worst, you will change your cap/rotor/plugs once per year (12K miles).
Cmckenna's recommendation:
He does not like MSD because their product is not the same as it used to be. But he will tell you that pullstar plugs and magnecor wires are worth the money. It will cost you 155 for the wires and 14 dollars per plug. So it is spendy. He did tell me that he got the pullstar plugs after calling pullstar and asking if he could return them if they did not deliver. They gave him 30 days. He was amazed. He could not believe the performance gains. SO, he got the truck home ASAP to let it cool. THen he put in a set of NGKs he was going to put in if the Pullstar plugs (iridiums) weren't all they were cracked up to be. Well, the NGKs went back to the same old performance and he kept the pullstars.
I want to get magnecors and pullstars for my next tuneup. I just changed my cap/rotor/wires and plugs about 700 miles ago. So I have a while.
However, I would not upograde your ignition unless you do other mods. I only did the MSD because i used to have that 6AL on my 1986 Camaro that I owned from 2001-2003.
Then I got bored and put it in my 1996. Took it out and put it in my 2001.
I like it. I have never fried any rotors. Had this setup in my 1996 5.2 and my current 2001. THe reason why people "talk" about fried rotors is because the MSD gives you 3 sparks per crank, so you go through plugs/caps/rotors 3x as fast. At worst, you will change your cap/rotor/plugs once per year (12K miles).
Cmckenna's recommendation:
He does not like MSD because their product is not the same as it used to be. But he will tell you that pullstar plugs and magnecor wires are worth the money. It will cost you 155 for the wires and 14 dollars per plug. So it is spendy. He did tell me that he got the pullstar plugs after calling pullstar and asking if he could return them if they did not deliver. They gave him 30 days. He was amazed. He could not believe the performance gains. SO, he got the truck home ASAP to let it cool. THen he put in a set of NGKs he was going to put in if the Pullstar plugs (iridiums) weren't all they were cracked up to be. Well, the NGKs went back to the same old performance and he kept the pullstars.
I want to get magnecors and pullstars for my next tuneup. I just changed my cap/rotor/wires and plugs about 700 miles ago. So I have a while.
However, I would not upograde your ignition unless you do other mods. I only did the MSD because i used to have that 6AL on my 1986 Camaro that I owned from 2001-2003.
Then I got bored and put it in my 1996. Took it out and put it in my 2001.
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#4
The thing with plugs is that not all plugs show improvements on every dodge. I've heard negative things about pulstars not giving any performance gains. But then I read positive things about them. It's like this for every plug. It's trial and error. As for the plugs, having issues with them on your eclipse is not the same as running them on a Dodge.
Here is a good post about plugs. Good info as well.
https://dodgeforum.com/forum/2nd-gen...ark-wires.html
Here is a good post about plugs. Good info as well.
https://dodgeforum.com/forum/2nd-gen...ark-wires.html
Last edited by CappinHoff; 08-25-2010 at 12:52 AM.
#5
The thing with plugs is that not all plugs show improvements on every dodge. I've heard negative things about pulstars not giving any performance gains. But then I read positive things about them. It's like this for every plug. It's trial and error. As for the plugs, having issues with them on your eclipse is not the same as running them on a Dodge.
Here is a good post about plugs. Good info as well.
https://dodgeforum.com/forum/2nd-gen...ark-wires.html
Here is a good post about plugs. Good info as well.
https://dodgeforum.com/forum/2nd-gen...ark-wires.html
Suggestion to the OP:
PM Cmckenna and he will tell you what you need to know. He has tested many ignition systems, plugs and wires. He is the resident expert on fuel injection and ignition in this forum.
#6
MY EXPERIENCE: MSD 6AL and MSD Coil with Accel Plugs wires cap rotor (Accel truck tune up package from Summit Racing)
I like it. I have never fried any rotors. Had this setup in my 1996 5.2 and my current 2001. THe reason why people "talk" about fried rotors is because the MSD gives you 3 sparks per crank, so you go through plugs/caps/rotors 3x as fast. At worst, you will change your cap/rotor/plugs once per year (12K miles).
I like it. I have never fried any rotors. Had this setup in my 1996 5.2 and my current 2001. THe reason why people "talk" about fried rotors is because the MSD gives you 3 sparks per crank, so you go through plugs/caps/rotors 3x as fast. At worst, you will change your cap/rotor/plugs once per year (12K miles).
However, I would not upograde your ignition unless you do other mods.
#7
Here is a good post about plugs. Good info as well.
https://dodgeforum.com/forum/2nd-gen...ark-wires.html
https://dodgeforum.com/forum/2nd-gen...ark-wires.html
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#8
I guess I just do a tune up every year because i get bored. At least cap/rotor.
I have the MSD and a stronger coil because i have 24# injectors and I want to get a bigger spark. Having the MSD and the high voltage coil allows you to gap the plugs a bit further. You would really need to gap your plugs to see the gains. Helps the truck pull a bit better in the upper RPMs (3500+). But we hardly see those RPMs unless you stomp on it.
I would suggest that you just get these things:
1. Hughes plenum plate kit and intake bolts with a 180* thermostat
2. Doing #1 is pretty much a prerequisite for getting the SCT tuner from Hemifever with his 3 tunes.
After doing those upgrades, you will be very happy. Then you can get 1.7 roller rockers and look at finding a MSD on ebay and getting the coil for 50 dollars.
1 and 2 will run you about $500. And any further mods you do will not get you more power than the SCT for the money.
THose are really good starts and your truck will shift and run better. Just make sure, as with any car/truck, that you are doing performance upgrades to a vehicke in very good running condition.
I have the MSD and a stronger coil because i have 24# injectors and I want to get a bigger spark. Having the MSD and the high voltage coil allows you to gap the plugs a bit further. You would really need to gap your plugs to see the gains. Helps the truck pull a bit better in the upper RPMs (3500+). But we hardly see those RPMs unless you stomp on it.
I would suggest that you just get these things:
1. Hughes plenum plate kit and intake bolts with a 180* thermostat
2. Doing #1 is pretty much a prerequisite for getting the SCT tuner from Hemifever with his 3 tunes.
After doing those upgrades, you will be very happy. Then you can get 1.7 roller rockers and look at finding a MSD on ebay and getting the coil for 50 dollars.
1 and 2 will run you about $500. And any further mods you do will not get you more power than the SCT for the money.
THose are really good starts and your truck will shift and run better. Just make sure, as with any car/truck, that you are doing performance upgrades to a vehicke in very good running condition.
#9
April 2010 I am getting magencors and pullstar plugs if that says anything.
#10
I have the MSD and a stronger coil because i have 24# injectors
I would suggest that you just get these things:
1. Hughes plenum plate kit and intake bolts with a 180* thermostat
2. Doing #1 is pretty much a prerequisite for getting the SCT tuner from Hemifever with his 3 tunes.
After doing those upgrades, you will be very happy. Then you can get 1.7 roller rockers and look at finding a MSD on ebay and getting the coil for 50 dollars.
1. Hughes plenum plate kit and intake bolts with a 180* thermostat
2. Doing #1 is pretty much a prerequisite for getting the SCT tuner from Hemifever with his 3 tunes.
After doing those upgrades, you will be very happy. Then you can get 1.7 roller rockers and look at finding a MSD on ebay and getting the coil for 50 dollars.
But here is my list of upgrades... Fastman 52mm TB, K&N FIPK, Set of Harland Sharp 1.7 Roller Rockers, E- Fan setup and maybe a Magnaflow system for now...
THose are really good starts and your truck will shift and run better. Just make sure, as with any car/truck, that you are doing performance upgrades to a vehicke in very good running condition.